Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Storing fuel
Hi all,
This is my first post on peak oil, so please be gentle with me. I have listened in to conversations for a fair while now, and really apprechiate the news articles posted. I have been peak oil aware for many years, but my knowledge has grown enormously over the past year as I have listened in to the discussions and read the articles here and elsewhere.
My question concerns the storing of fuel. I live in an area where we have fertile farming land nearby, and I am in contact with people of means who could store fuel and so, if things really fell apart, produce food on a significant scale, and so help provide for a significant number of people during a transitional period. However, I am hearing that it is hard to store fuel as it goes off. Some say that in part this is due to the additives in the fuel.
Are any of you able to shed light on this and to reveal a way forward for us. Is there a way of storing fuel so that it won't be spoiled? I find that usually there is a way for most things.
I look forward to drawing on your collective wisdom.
In appreciation for what I have already gained from your posts,
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Storing fuel
I've read you can get a year out of petrol plastic tanks and years more in metal jerry cans. The times that are given are more like best before dates rather than use by.
There's plenty out there about this, if you need more detailed info. _________________ This story will be told for generations!
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Storing fuel
It's not your fault. This has been covered a good bit in the past, but it's hard to find it when you search. This is the discussion from the last time we talked about it. There's a very good list of links at the end, including another PO.com discussion of the same topic.
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Storing fuel
Finding alternatives to using fuels is an idea who's time has come. If you can use a different machine, animal or human powered, or perhaps solar, biomass, wind, perhaps electricity generated locally.
Storing fuel is all well and good for when fuels are not available or too expensive. Still, you are relying on a finite storage reserve. At some point it will run out, leaving you with the options above. Having the back up systems in place, and learning how to use them, maintain them and operate them would do better than relying on the current system. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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