Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 4878 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Gamma Seal lids and buckets
TreeFarmer wrote:
Does anyone have an idea about where she is getting her bags of corn/beans ect? I know you can just buy buckets of grain from Walton Feed but the shipping is a killer for that heavy stuff.
Sometimes food co-ops will deliver 50 pound bags of good quality grain and beans, so see if you have one in your area. Some health food stores also have it in large bags. We have one in Tyler that carries flour and whole grains (often organic) in 25 and 50 pound sacks.
The site I linked above has a maximum $12 shipping even if you order hundreds of pounds, and they sell staples in food grade buckets with mylar liners. I got a 1500 pound delivery from them for $12 shipping a few months ago. You'd have to see how it all adds up relative to prices elsewhere. If you're getting a huge order flat rate shipping can save a lot of money. Though it's always nice to go with local sources if you have them, of course.
The only time I had a bucket with a Gamma Seal compromised was when the rice I bought in bulk already had meal moth eggs in it and I didn't know to freeze it just in case. Opened the bucket a few weeks later and had a nasty surprise. But that certainly wasn't the fault of the bucket or seal! I've had no other problems with spoilage or infestations in the 4 years since I started using them. _________________ The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done." - George Carlin
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Gamma Seal lids and buckets
OK, let me ask this food storage question.
A lot of the items I need to store come on 5 or 10 pound bags. Examples of these are sugar and flour.
How well would it work if I took a 10 pound bag of sugar, put it in a mylar bag with an oxygen absorber and then vacuum sealed it?
What if I did that with a 2lb bag of beans like you can get a the local grocery store?
Would I need a bucket to put it in in addition to the mylar bag or is the bucket only there to protect the bag from damage?
The reason I'm asking all of this is that I'm trying to figure out how to put a lot of that stuff away in more modest sized increments. For example, we don't use a lot of sugar at our house so being able to store it and use it in 10lb increments would be great.
Short answer for flour, meal, beans, etc stick it in a rodent - proof, dry place.
A canister or two in a kitchen cupboard or pantry shelf comes to mind.
All this mylar, O absorber, N pack, freeze dried, air-tight sealed stuff kinda makes me wonder how the species made it to this point and what happens if and when that stuff is gone.. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1347 Location: Appalachian Foothills of Virginia
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Gamma Seal lids and buckets
Specop_007 wrote:
Love those Gamma lids.
I use a mylar liner in all my buckets, so really the food grade plastic issue is a non issue for me. The bags are cheap peace of mind.
Exactly what I do, with oxygen absorbers to greatly decrease oxidation, which greatly increases shelf life.
Along with the gamma lids, I also use ziplock mylar bags, so everything except the oxygen absorbers are reusable.
It's my understanding that food stored in non-food grade plastic buckets (without mylar bags) will absorb the industrial dye over time. Mylar is needed if you want an oxygen seal, as oxygen will seep through the plastic even if you use absorbers or CO2, etc.
Joined: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 1127 Location: western Wisconsin
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Gamma Seal lids and buckets
We store dried beans, sugar, nuts, rice, etc, in gallon jars like delis get mayonaisse in, or in half gallon canning jars. I like the glass for storing food. I suppose we have a few dozen gallons of the beans etc on shelves in the root cellar, and I don't really know how many half gallons of various dried foods, in addition to canned stuff. We always pick up jars if they are reasonably priced at garage sales, etc., and have many dozens of extras in the shed. We don't buy them any more if they are more than a dollar a dozen, but the days of getting them for 50 cents a bushel are gone, unless they are free.
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Gamma Seal lids and buckets
wheat and most other whole grains can be stored in and ordinary airtight bucket for 20+ years with no other special gadgets. Just keep it dry and, if you want it to sprout, cool. _________________ Dieoff is not a matter of masses of people just lying down and closing their eyes for the last time; it's messy and ugly, accompanied by much thrashing about.-gg3
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