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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:44 am    Post subject: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Global warming has plunged the planet into a crisis and the fossil fuel industries are trying to hide the extent of the problem from the public, NASA's top climate scientist says

"We've already reached the dangerous level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere," according to James Hansen, 67, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.



Somebody switch the lights off then

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have the feeling that Global warming is nothing in regard to Peak oil. If there's something hidden, it's Peak oil, not global warming with which medias are speaking all day long.

It's hard to accept (especially for the FED) that capitalism is game over -Insert coin- (no dollar, it worths nothing)
Easier to cry about some polar bear sinking in the north or poor people dying from bad crops in Africa.

Finally, we don't give a sh*t as long as business as usual remains the norm.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I used to think that global warming was just a bit of tidal change but we're talking akin to a nuclear holocaust as far a survival goes and for as long
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and Nasa are saying, 'we're here'

scary. the quicker oil peaks the better.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Great news. Oil will not peak anytime soon. Time to shut down this site.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Hayden goes on to show in page 10 figure 8 that in the past 500 million years that CO2 has been 10 to 25 times higher than it is today.

The CO2 levels today are EXTREMELY LOW.

Hayden says, that during this very long period, the time of the dinosaurs, when CO2 was 10-25 times higher than today all those huge creatures were supported by vegetation that thrived in the high CO2 environment. (YES, CO2 — a naturally occuring gas that the benighted Supreme Court says should be “regulated” by the EPA — IS PLANT FOOD). Page 9-10.

On page 19, figure 16, Howard goes on to show that even only about 4000-9800 years ago that the earth was hotter than it is today (no car exhausts then). Our present temperature is well within the normal temperature of earth’s history.

Howard on page 29 goes on to explain that the astronomical effects (ie. sun variations) drive the temperature of the atmosphere which then drives the CO2 content. CO2 only has a passive role. Gore has it backwards. His science is backwards and erroneous and he is a deceiver. And he is a FRAUD.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Hayden goes on to show in page 10 figure 8 that in the past 500 million years that CO2 has been 10 to 25 times higher than it is today.

The CO2 levels today are EXTREMELY LOW.

Hayden says, that during this very long period, the time of the dinosaurs, when CO2 was 10-25 times higher than today all those huge creatures were supported by vegetation that thrived in the high CO2 environment. (YES, CO2 — a naturally occuring gas that the benighted Supreme Court says should be “regulated” by the EPA — IS PLANT FOOD). Page 9-10.

On page 19, figure 16, Howard goes on to show that even only about 4000-9800 years ago that the earth was hotter than it is today (no car exhausts then). Our present temperature is well within the normal temperature of earth’s history.

Howard on page 29 goes on to explain that the astronomical effects (ie. sun variations) drive the temperature of the atmosphere which then drives the CO2 content. CO2 only has a passive role. Gore has it backwards. His science is backwards and erroneous and he is a deceiver. And he is a FRAUD.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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dukey wrote:
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Hayden goes on to show in page 10 figure 8 that in the past 500 million years that CO2 has been 10 to 25 times higher than it is today.

The CO2 levels today are EXTREMELY LOW.

Hayden says, that during this very long period, the time of the dinosaurs, when CO2 was 10-25 times higher than today all those huge creatures were supported by vegetation that thrived in the high CO2 environment. (YES, CO2 — a naturally occuring gas that the benighted Supreme Court says should be “regulated” by the EPA — IS PLANT FOOD). Page 9-10.

On page 19, figure 16, Howard goes on to show that even only about 4000-9800 years ago that the earth was hotter than it is today (no car exhausts then). Our present temperature is well within the normal temperature of earth’s history.

Howard on page 29 goes on to explain that the astronomical effects (ie. sun variations) drive the temperature of the atmosphere which then drives the CO2 content. CO2 only has a passive role. Gore has it backwards. His science is backwards and erroneous and he is a deceiver. And he is a FRAUD.


phew!


I sure am glad we have employees of Exxon looking after us.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm certain that I have dropped Jim an e-mail with the words 'peak oil' in it. Shows how close we are, he probably did not even read it.

Ironically though a climate change response could mitigate both problems, the both arise from how we use fossil fuels.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

As far as "Climate Change" goes (the term Global Warming is so 1980's) over here in the UK we are brow beaten constantly to reduce FF consumption in order to save the planet.

Now if you were a tree hugger then I can see you going for this and the logic is sound. Reduce Carbon Emissions, save the World. The polar bears live happily ever after. Now read behind the lines and conveniently we can see a little beneficial result of reducing Carbon Emissions. As making those FF's last that bit longer allows the Wheels of Industry keep turning.

Now I'm going top slap on my "Conspiracy Theory" hat at this point, but can anyone else here see the hidden agenda?

Are governments really that altruistic when it comes to saving the planet, or are they trying to kid us once again.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Gazzatrone wrote:
Are governments really that altruistic when it comes to saving the planet, or are they trying to kid us once again.


Heh! The question actually contains the answer.

I have a little more nuanced picture though and suspect that much of what's happening is happening on a subconscious level. It is indeed possible that there are think-tanks deep inside the national states hatching long term plans, but I doubt it.

I think that most people who are reasonably intelligent actually *know* that oil is a finite resource, but they don't like to think about it, thus they don't. It's fully possible to make an intuitive connection between "oil" and "CO2" without ever talking about it in the open, and that's where I think our dear politicians are. They dare not speak about "oil depletion", not even between themselves, but they know.

Another thing is that the entire hysteria over "global warming" will fail miserably, this since our dear politicians forgot to invite the central banks to the party - our banking system have an absolute requirement for infinite exponential growth, and that's difficult to achieve without infinite exponential growth in the energy supply.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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As making those FF's last that bit longer allows the Wheels of Industry keep turning.


They're certainly doing a lousy job at it, then. CO2 emissions have not been reduced, they are continuing to rise.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Now I'm going top slap on my "Conspiracy Theory" hat at this point


Someone on peakoil.com slapping on a conspiracy hat??? Now that's a shocker.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Gazzatrone wrote:

Now I'm going top slap on my "Conspiracy Theory" hat at this point


Someone on peakoil.com slapping on a conspiracy hat??? Now that's a shocker.


Someone needs to wash it. It smells really......worn.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

nasa release today

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May 14, 2008 RELEASE : 08-127 NASA Study Links Earth Impacts to Human-Caused Climate Change WASHINGTON -- A new NASA-led study shows human-caused climate change has made an impact on a wide range of Earth's natural systems, including permafrost thawing, plants blooming earlier across Europe, and lakes declining in productivity in Africa.

Cynthia Rosenzweig of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Science in New York and scientists at 10 other institutions have linked physical and biological impacts since 1970 with rises in temperatures during that period. The study, to be published May 15 in the journal Nature, concludes human-caused warming is resulting in a broad range of impacts across the globe.

"This is the first study to link global temperature data sets, climate model results, and observed changes in a broad range of physical and biological systems to show the link between humans, climate, and impacts," said Rosenzweig, lead author of the study.

Rosenzweig and colleagues also found the link between human-caused climate change and observed impacts on Earth holds true at the scale of individual continents, particularly in North America, Europe, and Asia.

To arrive at the link, the authors built and analyzed a database of more than 29,000 data series pertaining to observed impacts on Earth's natural systems. The data were collected from about 80 studies, each with at least 20 years of records between 1970 and 2004.

Observed impacts included changes to physical systems, such as glaciers shrinking, permafrost melting, and lakes and rivers warming. Biological systems also were impacted in a variety of ways, such as leaves unfolding and flowers blooming earlier in the spring, birds arriving earlier during migration periods, and plant and animal species moving toward Earth's poles and higher in elevation. In aquatic environments such as oceans, lakes, and rivers, plankton and fish are shifting from cold-adapted to warm-adapted communities.

The team conducted a "joint attribution" study. They showed that at the global scale, about 90 percent of observed changes in diverse physical and biological systems are consistent with warming. Other driving forces, such as land use change from forest to agriculture, were ruled out as having significant influence on the observed impacts.

Next, the scientists conducted statistical tests and found the spatial patterns of observed impacts closely match temperature trends across the globe, to a degree beyond what can be attributed to natural variability. The team concluded observed global-scale impacts are very likely because of human-caused warming.

"Humans are influencing climate through increasing greenhouse gas emissions," Rosenzweig said. "The warming is causing impacts on physical and biological systems that are now attributable at the global scale and in North America, Europe, and Asia."

On some continents, including Africa, South America, and Australia, documentation of observed changes in physical and biological systems is still sparse despite warming trends attributable to human causes. The authors concluded environmental systems on these continents need additional research, especially in tropical and subtropical areas where there is a lack of impact data and published studies.

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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: NASA: Big Oil is 'hiding a planet in crisis' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

KevO wrote:
I used to think that global warming was just a bit of tidal change but we're talking akin to a nuclear holocaust as far a survival goes and for as long
check out
6 steps to Hell

and Nasa are saying, 'we're here'

scary. the quicker oil peaks the better.


Peak oil will/is lead/leading to increased use of dirtier fuels: coal, tar sands, oil shales. In all liklihood, a realization that we've peaked will accelerate rather than halt our environmental pillage.
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