Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
We drive, they starve. The mass diversion of the North American grain harvest into ethanol plants for fuel is reaching its political and moral limits. "The reality is that people are dying already," said Jacques Diouf, of the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). "Naturally people won't be sitting dying of starvation, they will react," he said.
The UN says it takes 232kg of corn to fill a 50-litre car tank with ethanol. That is enough to feed a child for a year. Last week, the UN predicted "massacres" unless the biofuel policy is halted. We are all part of this drama whether we fill up with petrol or ethanol. The substitution effect across global markets makes the two morally identical.
link _________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
This is going to be a big moral dilemma in the years to come.
I wonder if Bush's arrogant mantra of "The American lifestyle is non-negotiable" will win the day and billions will starve so America can hang on to its SUVs.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
Cid_Yama wrote:
We are all part of this drama whether we fill up with petrol or ethanol. The substitution effect across global markets makes the two morally identical.
So you want to blaim me because I use petrol, for the fact that other people substitute petrol as an automotive fuel? How about all those people out there who are eating meat? Things were going fine till some idiots decided it would be a good idea to stimulate the use of food as fuel.
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
I must preface this statement with the fact I believe ethanol to be a big loser, however nothing obligates the United States to sent it's wealth to other countries. These people starve because they spend to many resources on war and have to many children. If we send food it should only go to those who are willing to be steralized after the first child.
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
Amerika is responsble for the deaths of a million + people in Iraq, god knows how many in afghanistan. In the last 50 years the CIA is responsible for the deaths of about 40 million people. What's a few more gonna matter ?
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Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries.
Henry Kissinger
The nazis killed people in the camps by starving them to death, if Amerika wanted to murder a few more over seas pushing up global food prices seems like an excellent way of reducing numbers. _________________
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
Alokin
Didn't take any economics courses did you? As painful as those speculator make things at this time, they are also telling the farmers in the best manner possible(higher prices) that they need to plant more. Fairy dust and wishful thinking doesn't motivate folks to work harder or plant more acreage.
Dukey, war is hell buddy, but WE have killed far fewer than the previous leader, and those we fight. Glad you mentioned the nazis, you're implying perhaps that war should not have been fought because of the civilian deaths and yes, atrocities on our part?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
gollum wrote:
I must preface this statement with the fact I believe ethanol to be a big loser, however nothing obligates the United States to sent it's wealth to other countries.
...except for the United States enormous debt and inability to provide it's own energy or manufacture it's own goods. _________________ 'If a ruler hearkens to lies, all his officials become wicked.'
Joined: Oct 03, 2004 Posts: 566 Location: Washington State
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
We need a spin-off website called Peak Oil Enquirer or something similar. All of these hyperbolic threads are making me ill. _________________ This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
Highlander 2007
Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 1636 Location: Nez Perce Nation
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
highlander wrote:
We need a spin-off website called Peak Oil Enquirer or something similar. All of these hyperbolic threads are making me ill.
Thank you, highlander.
Hysterical hyperbole is the favorite tool of the unthinking, indiscriminately compassionate liberal mind. They dwell in a world where there is always a crisis in which they must intervene, or more often cry, whine and bitch about publicly. However, instead of envisioning and implementing a full solution they merely apply a small measure of external aid that quiets their internal angst but in the long term makes the problem worse. All these unintended consequences are now coming to a head and in fact more people are going to suffer than if nature had been allowed its course and balance returned to these overstressed areas of the Earth. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock
Joined: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 889 Location: Alif Lam Mim
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
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These people starve because they spend to many resources on war and have to many children
Really? They spend a lot on war?
Most of the soon to be starving nations are not even on that list of the top military spenders in the world. And they spend too many resources on war? _________________ Riches are not from abundance of worldly goods, but from a contented mind.
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4925 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
Isn't food too cheap? You can have a nice looking college girl make you a bountiful sub for $5? Meat is way under priced in my opinion...but i'm not complaining I'll keep eating strip steaks until i can't afford it! After that i'll just have to eat venison (the back straps are great).
Ethanol is a crock, but i don't see it going under quite yet.
Shouldn't you be pointing your fingers at Brazil? Last time i checked they had tons of yucky, thick rainforest they could easily mow down with some chainsaws and burn the rest to plant soybeans and corn... _________________ Clothing should be optional.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Fill with Ethanol, Kill a Child
3aidlillahi wrote:
Most of the soon to be starving nations are not even on that list of the top military spenders in the world. And they spend too many resources on war?
Your chart gives an incorrect impression. You need to look at military expenditures as a percent of GDP. North Korea would be the biggest offender from that more accurate perspective, and, yes their people have starved and are starving to death. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock
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I'll keep eating strip steaks until i can't afford it! After that i'll just have to eat venison (the back straps are great).
