Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Its in the Cuban "Constitution" ......
since early 20th Century yet they call themselves an independent and "sovereign" nation and, in spite of being, allegededly (or ¿mediatically?), WWW III, a brink apart from becoming a MADdening reality, that north american imperialistic country, insist it is complying with it because of some Presidential agreement.
By the way, somehow I just can´t keep off my mind those oil reserves found under the cuban plattform. They are huge! _________________ Only if you are interested in the real side of truth.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Its in the Cuban "Constitution" ......
Sorry ...... did you read the terms of the "agreement", uhh?
Quote:
"I.-That the government of Cuba shall never enter into any treaty or other compact with any foreign power or powers which will impair or tend to impair the independence of Cuba, nor in any manner authorize or permit any foreign power or powers to obtain by colonization or for military or naval purposes or otherwise, lodgement in or control over any portion of said island."
"II. That said government shall not assume or contract any public debt, to pay the interest upon which, and to make reasonable sinking fund provision for the ultimate discharge of which, the ordinary revenues of the island, after defraying the current expenses of government shall be inadequate."
"III. That the government of Cuba consents that the United States may exercise the right to intervene for the preservation of Cuban independence, the maintenance of a government adequate for the protection of life, property, and individual liberty, and for discharging the obligations with respect to Cuba imposed by the treaty of Paris on the United States, now to be assumed and undertaken by the government of Cuba."
"IV. That all Acts of the United States in Cuba during its military occupancy thereof are ratified and validated, and all lawful rights acquired thereunder shall be maintained and protected."
"V. That the government of Cuba will execute, and as far as necessary extend, the plans already devised or other plans to be mutually agreed upon, for the sanitation of the cities of the island, to the end that a recurrence of epidemic and infectious diseases may be prevented, thereby assuring protection to the people and commerce of Cuba, as well as to the commerce of the southern ports of the United States and the people residing therein."
"VI. That the Isle of Pines shall be omitted from the proposed constitutional boundaries of Cuba, the title thereto being left to future adjustment by treaty."
"VII. That to enable the United States to maintain the independence of Cuba, and to protect the people thereof, as well as for its own defense, the government of Cuba will sell or lease to the United States lands necessary for coaling or naval stations at certain specified points to be agreed upon with the President of the United States."
"VIII. That by way of further assurance the government of Cuba will embody the foregoing provisions in a permanent treaty with the United States."
Emm ....... what part of sovereignity, independence and/or nationalism did you miss out of what I posted?
Orr ..... perhaps you are reffering to the fact that it is its "arch enemy" who feeds the island (in an stunning 80% of its basics needs) but on a cash only basis??
Now Emersonbiggins, IF what you are reffering to is to the "why" I am posting this, please let me explain that what it took 50 years to fidel castro to transform that beautiful island into, my country is going to accomplish it out in MUCH less than 15 years. We have been "only" 120 months with this puppet (fidels) and already our ruined down economy mostly comes in, either by ships or trucking from other nearby countries. Not to mention the big bucks required to import them, even from that north american country!
Aaanyways ...... perhaps my interest (and I hope yours too) circles around discussing the 20th century cuban history. Especially those last 50 years, when an unknown guerrillero was fastly recognised as the legitimate ruler by its most nearby continental superpower, after ousting another of its dictators-puppets.
Then, that new tropical ruler sells his political ass to the other existing yet farther away superpower but, as opposed to that previusly posted ammendment, the united states did NOT do a thing to prevent it ...... except claiming that they "tried" 638 times to blow up in smoke his beard by means of a cigar or that instead of enemas they put viagra right on his ...... rear end .........
Look, from my perspective, Guantanamo exists BECAUSE of that Platt Ammedment. It has been respected by a damned good number of american administrators, from both of tendencies. AND ....... in spite of being fidel castro that character they "hated" because his tendencies of exporting "HIS" very communist revolution to near and far away countries.
Even one of their (¿your?) elected presidents, once said that he (fidel) was going to be the NEXT south-central american and caribbean "liberator". But ...... liberating them out from what??? ...... from WHOM??? ........ Is hugo chavez going to take his "historic" place, huh???
I don´t know, am I making sense so far?
By the way, emmm ......., I rather have a good "cuba-libre" (rum-cocacola) instead!
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Its in the Cuban "Constitution" ......
pana_burda wrote:
Sorry ...... did you read the terms of the "agreement", uhh?
Quote:
"I.-That the government of Cuba shall never enter into any treaty or other compact with any foreign power or powers which will impair or tend to impair the independence of Cuba, nor in any manner authorize or permit any foreign power or powers to obtain by colonization or for military or naval purposes or otherwise, lodgement in or control over any portion of said island."
"II. That said government shall not assume or contract any public debt, to pay the interest upon which, and to make reasonable sinking fund provision for the ultimate discharge of which, the ordinary revenues of the island, after defraying the current expenses of government shall be inadequate."
"III. That the government of Cuba consents that the United States may exercise the right to intervene for the preservation of Cuban independence, the maintenance of a government adequate for the protection of life, property, and individual liberty, and for discharging the obligations with respect to Cuba imposed by the treaty of Paris on the United States, now to be assumed and undertaken by the government of Cuba."
"IV. That all Acts of the United States in Cuba during its military occupancy thereof are ratified and validated, and all lawful rights acquired thereunder shall be maintained and protected."
"V. That the government of Cuba will execute, and as far as necessary extend, the plans already devised or other plans to be mutually agreed upon, for the sanitation of the cities of the island, to the end that a recurrence of epidemic and infectious diseases may be prevented, thereby assuring protection to the people and commerce of Cuba, as well as to the commerce of the southern ports of the United States and the people residing therein."
"VI. That the Isle of Pines shall be omitted from the proposed constitutional boundaries of Cuba, the title thereto being left to future adjustment by treaty."
"VII. That to enable the United States to maintain the independence of Cuba, and to protect the people thereof, as well as for its own defense, the government of Cuba will sell or lease to the United States lands necessary for coaling or naval stations at certain specified points to be agreed upon with the President of the United States."
"VIII. That by way of further assurance the government of Cuba will embody the foregoing provisions in a permanent treaty with the United States."
Emm ....... what part of sovereignity, independence and/or nationalism did you miss out of what I posted?
Orr ..... perhaps you are refering to the fact that it is its "arch enemy" who feeds the island (in an stunning 80% of its basics needs) but on a cash only basis??
Now Emersonbiggins, IF what you are reffering to is to the "why" I am posting this, please let me explain that what it took 50 years to fidel castro to transform that beautiful island into, my country is going to accomplish it out in MUCH less than 15 years. We have been "only" 120 months with this puppet (fidels) and already our ruined down economy mostly comes in, either by ships or trucking from other nearby countries. Not to mention the big bucks required to import them, even from that north american country!
Aaanyways ...... perhaps my interest (and I hope yours too) circles around discussing the 20th century cuban history. Especially those last 50 years, when an unknown guerrillero was fastly recognised as the legitimate ruler by its most nearby continental superpower, after ousting another of its dictators-puppets.
Then, that new tropical ruler sells his political ass to the other existing yet farther away superpower but, as opposed to that previusly posted ammendment, the united states did NOT do a thing to prevent it ...... except claiming that they "tried" 638 times to blow up in smoke his beard by means of a cigar or that instead of enemas they put viagra right on his ...... rear end .........
Look, from my perspective, Guantanamo exists BECAUSE of that Platt Ammedment. It has been respected by a damned good number of american administrators, from both of tendencies. AND ....... in spite of being fidel castro that character they "hated" because his tendencies of exporting "HIS" very communist revolution to near and far away countries.
Even one of their (¿your?) elected presidents, once said that he (fidel) was going to be the NEXT south-central american and caribbean "liberator". But ...... liberating them out from what??? ...... from WHOM??? ........ Is hugo chavez going to take his "historic" place, huh???
I don´t know, am I making sense so far?
By the way, emmm ......., I rather have a good "cuba-libre" (rum-cocacola) instead!
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Re: New Cuban leader seems to stimulating things in farming
Fishman wrote:
the LEFT has portrayed Cuba as the great post oil utopia when its more like a tropical North Korea
Very true.
Dictators always claim they are acting in the best interests of their country. Communist dictators have this scam down cold. _________________ "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6374 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Its in the Cuban "Constitution" ......
pana_burda wrote:
I rather have a good "cuba-libre" (rum-cocacola)
And here's a cuba-libre for you, pana burda
There will be lots of cuba-libres consummed after the fall of Crown Prince Raul, and then still more when Cuba has its first democratic election.
The whole idea of cuba-libre sounds great!!!!!!.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba for example
Cuba is an incredible example that I really like to use when explaining the possibilities of energy shortages to friends and family.
Cubans have been able to survive on very little inputs -especially food because they changed their lifestyles (by force) in time to cope with the sanctions placed on them.
Nobody likes a dictatorship, especially those in the "free" world, but seriously- take a look at what these people have done before overlooking them.
You might learn something. My guess is that's why you're here?
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