Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
charliebrownout wrote:
Also, can someone point me in the direction of good advice/good reading on the topic of life after oil? I'm having a hard time mitigating, in my mind, the apocalyptic/survivalist and the actual potential reality. Does anyone know of some good middle-of-the-road advice?
John Michael Greer (the ArchDruid) writes an excellent blog on peak oil and often touches on where we're headed as a society. He is obviously well read in History and his posts (usually weekly) often have a refreshingly broad historical perspective to them. He also offers some thoughts on what we can be doing in the here-and-now to prepare for a transition to a lower-energy lifestyle. For me, his posts are a must read, a useful antidote to doomerism and usually lift my spirits.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
thylacine wrote:
charliebrownout wrote:
Also, can someone point me in the direction of good advice/good reading on the topic of life after oil? I'm having a hard time mitigating, in my mind, the apocalyptic/survivalist and the actual potential reality. Does anyone know of some good middle-of-the-road advice?
John Michael Greer (the ArchDruid) writes an excellent blog on peak oil and often touches on where we're headed as a society. He is obviously well read in History and his posts (usually weekly) often have a refreshingly broad historical perspective to them. He also offers some thoughts on what we can be doing in the here-and-now to prepare for a transition to a lower-energy lifestyle. For me, his posts are a must read, a useful antidote to doomerism and usually lift my spirits.
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
Cashmere wrote:
You live in Arizona and your hubby is not PO aware.
I quote Scooby Doo:
You're Rucked.
Seriously, your hubby is your largest problem, not the rest.
Until he's on board, you are limited with what you can do.
I'm not sure moving further toward the soon-to be dying of thirst and heat downtown area is the solution, but I do agree with the downsizing.
My 2 cents -
I'd rather be further away from than closer to heavily populated areas.
Not sure if that would be Scooby Doo or Astro, but either way, yeah, you could be right. I hope not. I'm hedging my bets that I will be able to get the point home in time to make positive steps.
I mean, honestly, I think the majority of us are behind the eight ball to begin with. Anyone not already at the top in possession of money, power and access to dwindling resources is already NOT in the defacto best spot to survive. Even the best prepared serf is still a serf.
As a psych major and being aware of social psych...I can't say whether being in the group or out of it is best--especially being in a desert. Given my druthers, I'd rather be out of here ANYWAY. Even if oil hadn't just hit $115 a barrel I'd feel that way.
The desert is a weird place. It is one place mother nature has already made it pretty clear we're not welcome.
That said, my kids and I frequently take hikes that discuss desert survival (what plants you can eat, use for medicine). Of course, that has been mostly for fun and exercise. I'm not sure how I'd really feel about eating a mesquite bean....I like prickly pear jelly, though. So, at least that doesn't sound bad. I know some folks cook with mesquite meal. Maybe I should invest in a mano y metate.
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
thylacine wrote:
charliebrownout wrote:
Also, can someone point me in the direction of good advice/good reading on the topic of life after oil? I'm having a hard time mitigating, in my mind, the apocalyptic/survivalist and the actual potential reality. Does anyone know of some good middle-of-the-road advice?
John Michael Greer (the ArchDruid) writes an excellent blog on peak oil and often touches on where we're headed as a society. He is obviously well read in History and his posts (usually weekly) often have a refreshingly broad historical perspective to them. He also offers some thoughts on what we can be doing in the here-and-now to prepare for a transition to a lower-energy lifestyle. For me, his posts are a must read, a useful antidote to doomerism and usually lift my spirits.
Love the history, and the pottery mention. It really is something if you ponder it--even for a moment. We (well, not me, but a lot of people) like to think of our ancestors as dusty old skeletons that did interesting (if irrelevant things), but the truth is they are US. We will someday (should humanity continue, which I like to think so) be the dusty bones and cellphone remnants of the oil age. I hope my great-great-great-great-great-great grandkids take notes when they dig me up.
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
For true effectiveness, you should probably stick to rational direct connection to male motivational center. I'd suggest the anti-lysistrata approach.
Simply tell him you have discovered that the idea of actually living in a sustainable and sulf-sufficient manner turns you into a nymphomaniac who has to try every sexual position ever known to humankind. Daily.
If that is already your lifestyle, the extra exercise from both self-sufficiency and low-carbon footprint will help make it all work better.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
dump the hubby, get a new one who's po aware. i'm sure this site will provide a very large selection of lonely bastards that would kill for the touch of another human being
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
Quote:
'm trying to convince my husband
This is your biggest problem. The rest of the stuff can be managed.
Dealing with a hard headed spouse will just frustrate you. The harder you try to convince him, the more resistance you will get. I agree completely with the poster above, just let it trickle out. Watch the evening news together, and make an occasional comment, or give an occasional statistic. Eventually, the light will come on in his cave brain and he will be in a big panic to hit the road, and by then, you will already have a plan in place.
You, a psych major, ought to know this personality trait. For your elective fill in classes, if you have any, take marketing. You will find a knowledge of psychology, along with marketing, could be really useful if the system stays together.
That does not help you for the current decision, which is, where to rent? Tell that doofus that he is spending too much time and money on his commute, and you need him in good shape so he can perform his marital duty, so you want to live close to where he works for six months. This will also appeal to his cave brain. Don't worry about the rest of this stuff for now. I think the system will hold together for that long.
Meanwhile, get yourself a couple of garage sale bikes, and learn how to work on them. Get some puncture-proof tires so you do not have to deal with the cockleburs out there. Get you and the kid in shape to ride if you need to. When the time comes, ride east. I bet Shannymara will let you camp out at her place in Oklahoma if you agree to feed her goats.
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
pup55 wrote:
Quote:
'm trying to convince my husband
This is your biggest problem. The rest of the stuff can be managed.
Dealing with a hard headed spouse will just frustrate you. The harder you try to convince him, the more resistance you will get. I agree completely with the poster above, just let it trickle out. Watch the evening news together, and make an occasional comment, or give an occasional statistic. Eventually, the light will come on in his cave brain and he will be in a big panic to hit the road, and by then, you will already have a plan in place.
You, a psych major, ought to know this personality trait. For your elective fill in classes, if you have any, take marketing. You will find a knowledge of psychology, along with marketing, could be really useful if the system stays together.
That does not help you for the current decision, which is, where to rent? Tell that doofus that he is spending too much time and money on his commute, and you need him in good shape so he can perform his marital duty, so you want to live close to where he works for six months. This will also appeal to his cave brain. Don't worry about the rest of this stuff for now. I think the system will hold together for that long.
Meanwhile, get yourself a couple of garage sale bikes, and learn how to work on them. Get some puncture-proof tires so you do not have to deal with the cockleburs out there. Get you and the kid in shape to ride if you need to. When the time comes, ride east. I bet Shannymara will let you camp out at her place in Oklahoma if you agree to feed her goats.
I'm more or less done with my schooling (trying to get it finished). I took social and industrial psych, though. That said, even knowing what it means to be persuasive, it is something of an art. It also takes the right information to tip a person into active change.
I have been mentioning things as an "oh, would you look at this" and "did you notice..." and little things about our life that would be simpler if we adopted a more conservative lifestyle (ie moving closer, less house, paying down debt).
Last night I did a little of the obvious reading him some excerpts from the book by Dr. Stephen Leeb prefaced with a "what do you think about that? Interesting...isn't it?"
No, screaming "omigod we're gonna die!" just a "hmmm, whatdayathink?"
Of course, he says, "Yeah, oil is always going to go up." Shrugs, says everyone knows that and says it is no big deal because he's making enough now that he doesn't need to worry.
At which point I quietly excused myself to go scream into a pillow in another room.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
charliebrownout wrote:
I'm more or less done with my schooling (trying to get it finished). I took social and industrial psych, though. That said, even knowing what it means to be persuasive, it is something of an art. It also takes the right information to tip a person into active change.
I have been mentioning things as an "oh, would you look at this" and "did you notice..." and little things about our life that would be simpler if we adopted a more conservative lifestyle (ie moving closer, less house, paying down debt).
Last night I did a little of the obvious reading him some excerpts from the book by Dr. Stephen Leeb prefaced with a "what do you think about that? Interesting...isn't it?"
No, screaming "omigod we're gonna die!" just a "hmmm, whatdayathink?"
Of course, he says, "Yeah, oil is always going to go up." Shrugs, says everyone knows that and says it is no big deal because he's making enough now that he doesn't need to worry.
At which point I quietly excused myself to go scream into a pillow in another room.
You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes. _________________
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Psychology Major Looking to Get Persuasive
BigTex wrote:
You could just buy him a copy of "Overshoot" by William Catton and a gift certificate to the local Army Surplus store and just sit back and watch him turn into a doomer before your eyes.
I love my husband, but he's not a reader. He's a techie, IT, video game type.
If EA made a game or G4 ran a special maybe I wouldn't be so far up shite creek without a paddle.
THANKS!!! Big hug to you for passing this on. I showed my husband and I think it made a dent. I actually managed to talk to him in more complete terms about the economy, energy, etc.
Of course, his ultimate response was that there would be some magic bullet by some maverick, captain of industry type who is, as yet, hiding somewhere devising this wonder cure.
Also, he's sure we could run for YEARS on America's strategic reserves so the rest of the world really isn't a problem.
It's kind of like the "I'm not going to go on chemo because they'll have a better cure before I die of this cancer" solution.
He really thinks there is some covert group ready to fix everything--they just aren't talking publicly yet.
But, I'm good with small steps. At least he's talking.
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