Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
basil_hayden wrote:
Sorry to bust your world view, but the proof of my view is in every bedrock geology map, look one up, start with Connecticut as I'm most familiar with that area. At least your handle is spot on.
So it is your point of contention that because Rocks are similiar they were one day all joined together ? That is quite a hypothesis, but please do tell me Basil, let's start with something basic. Explain to me your theory (without providing a link) on the origins of matter and energy ?
Do you in fact believe that "Nothing" exploded into "something"? and created the foundation for all we see today ?
We can address the other fallacies like the flaws in the geologic "record", the missing link(s), the ridiculous notion that simple life forms "evolve" into extremely complex ones, complete with self reproducing and repairing systems (even in male and female spieces, which implies not only evolution, but simulteaneous evolution within the same organisms lifetime which is a chicken and egg scenario that cannot be resolved), and the other billions of problems associated with evolving a DNA moleule with trillions of possible combinations...
But never fear Basil, you have it all figured out becasue you have discovered rocks in Connecticut are similiar to rocks in England (or wherever !)
Now that is a Frog/Prince story (Oh wait - This is your belief system, a Frog turning into a Prince...Sorry !)
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
zzzpeakoil wrote:
clueless wrote:
Freud ? The guy was a cocaine and nicotine addict, as well as a sex fiend. This is a person you admire ?
You have just commited 2 logical fallacies !! WOW in just 2 lines of text : Straw-man , (implying that i admire Freud, which is not the case) , and second : Ad Hominem, implying that just because Freud was nicotine and cocaine consumer, and "sex fiend" (whatever would that be), all his views as a psychologist are flawed.
It is of no wonder why you called yourself "clueless"
You are totally clueless, clueless.
And last, but as important, I do not call everybody who disagrees with me on anything stupid. But when somebody dares to make such contradictions and logical fallacies and outrageous statements , or purely insults , I will always treat them with the respect that they deserve : zilch!
Wtf... I wont waste any more time on this thread. I am out.
Maybe I had let my temper express himself too hard in my posts, for this i do apologise to everybody who takes easy offence. However i do not retract anything and will not add anything more.
Freud invented a system of beliefs that catered to his fleshly desires, it is that simple. This is not only something Freud did, but humanity in general does even to this day. And yes his psychological "views" are nothing other than his opinions. Even one of his sisters turned on him (and probably turned him on as well.)
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Did you guys watch 'Century of the Self' that BBC documentary series about how psychology shaped the development of the consumer economy in the 20th century. That one left me thinking about whether we are not all neurotic because they have been messing with our base impulses for three generations.
At any rate, clueless is responding to Freud's lifestyle (his daughter was more whacked than he was actually) from a Christian perspective. Christian's are taught by the Bible (though we do not always live up to these standards) to not accept the ministry or professional practice of someone whose life contradicts their teachings. Perfection is an unatainable standard, but Freud's base ideas about psychology have been mostly relegated to the dung heap. And after him came other's proposing psychological models, at every turn big business capitalized on the movements and kept getting bigger and bigger.
I find the Bible's description of human psychology to be very accurate when one simply observes life. People are motivated by good and bad things, there is nothing new under the sun.
The Bible tries to answer the questions of human need differently than Frued, or Jung (who I generally have high regard for as psychologists go.) The Bible says sin is a state of separation from God and it describes the fruit of sin (Galatians 5:17), it then says Christ's death paid the penalty for sins so that God will not hold you guilty if you approach Him through Christ. Here is the crucial part, to get this forgiveness one needs by God's grace to forsake sin, and then the once missing link to God is restablished in Jesus, the Spirit of God dwells in our hearts and a new nature takes hold, a nature driven to holiness and the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22.) That so many supposed Christians have failed to make the most of the opportunity presented by faith does not make the gospel less valuable. My testimony is that what I have just said is exactly my own experience, that it works.
I doubt you will find me unreasonable in any matter, although I do confess to the occasional ad hominem. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Quote:
Did you guys watch'Century of the Self' that BBC documentary series about how psychology shaped the development of the consumer economy in the 20th century. That one left me thinking about whether we are not all neurotic because they have been messing with our base impulses for three generations.
Yes I did see that...It was quite intriguing and truthful.
1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
Quote:
Did you guys watch'Century of the Self' that BBC documentary series about how psychology shaped the development of the consumer economy in the 20th century. That one left me thinking about whether we are not all neurotic because they have been messing with our base impulses for three generations.
Yes I did see that...It was quite intriguing and truthful.
1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
I think we have done our fair share of richly consuming all things with enjoyment. That verse is a good reminder of the balance and priorities Christians should have. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
BigTex wrote:
Gandalf,
Thanks for the thoughtful and serious post. There have been times when I thought you might have turned a little too much water into wine, given the time of evening and the content of some of your posts. In fact, I admit to picturing you as a sort of Merlin-on-acid kind of character, so I enjoy hearing your serious voice.
To the topic:
I grew up in a Christian church and still attend one. My understanding of Christianity has evolved along with my understanding of the world. I am at the point in my faith where I am comfortable simply taking Jesus's teachings and attempting to apply them to my life as sincerely as I can.
I do not believe that the miracles, resurrection, immortality and other supernatural phenomena in the New Testament are necessary to validate the truth of Jesus's teachings. To me, his teachings stand on their own.
I think that getting bogged down in inter-denominational and inter-translational disagreements and distinctions is actually one of the things that Jesus was most opposed to--i.e., legalism and institutionalized spirituality. I am content to let other people believe what they want to believe. I will tell them what I believe if they ask or if it comes up in conversation, but I'm not big on the multi-level marketing approach to spreading the word.
As for the question about the Christian way of dealing with zombies, I think you gotta just shoot 'em in the head and if you feel the need you can pray about it when you get back to camp.
As for sharing food, outside my family I would probably share a little food if I had a lot. I might share a very little food if I only had a little. If I don't take care of myself, I won't be able to take care of anyone else. Sort of like on the airplanes when they tell you to put your oxygen mask on FIRST.
Throwing stones at Christianity is, to me, not a very productive exercise. Hardcore Christians are just going to throw them back at you, or, if you strike a mortal wound they're just going to take a martyr pose, and you really haven't accomplished anything for your trouble. I'm a little more laid back about things, so when people talk trash about Christianity, I don't argue, I just try to pass along some of Jesus's teachings as a counterpoint to whatever aspect of Christianity they are upset about.
As clear as Jesus tried to be about the role of humility in understanding, people have somehow used his message as a basis for viewing themselves and human beings in general as god-like and somehow not subject to the same laws of our finite world as other creatures. This is obviously cause for concern.
But Gandalf, it sounds like your faith gives gives you a sense of wholeness to your world, and that is something that many people will never feel. A coherent faith can provide a great sense of security and, if nothing else, is probably a good vaccine against disabling mental illness--i.e., just like you take a small amount of harmless viral material as a vaccine against a serious virus, perhaps religion at its best is adopting a small amount of delusional belief in the interest of preventing full blown mental illness as the hopelessness and futility of life begin to gnaw at you.
The trouble, of course, is when that small bit of voluntary delusional belief turns into an affliction worse than the mental illness you were trying to prevent. See the Crusades, the Holocaust, and radical Muslims as examples.
I am not trivializing faith by referring to it as a bit of voluntary delusion. We all have irrational beliefs that give us comfort, starting when you were a kid with the various entities that may have brought you gifts throughout the year.
The one bit of advice I would offer anyone who feels strong in their faith when times are good would be to be prepared to have their sense of confidence and certainty in their faith challenged when times are bad, either personally when you lose someone you love, or socially when the whole world begins to look like it's falling apart as peak oil, global warming, bird flu or some other calamity suddenly makes life a lot harder, and it feels like God has left you.
Some of you may have read about how Mother Teresa apparently felt absolutely no connection to God for something like the last 40 years of her life (based upon her writings that came to light after her death). That struck me as incredibly sad when I heard it. It was like a sincere belief led her to a life of service, but the reality of what she saw during her service made it impossible to preserve the illusions upon which her service was based. Not that she was saying "how can God let these things happen?", but more like "the fact that these things are happening makes it obvious that my understanding of God was flawed from the beginning."
Back on page 4 of this thread Bix Tex posted this. Several pages later Gandalf has not commented on it. I would be curious to here Gandalf and Clueless for that matter respond to this post and share with the board their interpretation of Bix Tex's chriistian faith.
Thank You _________________ Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ibon wrote:
BigTex wrote:
Gandalf,
Thanks for the thoughtful and serious post. There have been times when I thought you might have turned a little too much water into wine, given the time of evening and the content of some of your posts. In fact, I admit to picturing you as a sort of Merlin-on-acid kind of character, so I enjoy hearing your serious voice.
To the topic:
I grew up in a Christian church and still attend one. My understanding of Christianity has evolved along with my understanding of the world. I am at the point in my faith where I am comfortable simply taking Jesus's teachings and attempting to apply them to my life as sincerely as I can.
I do not believe that the miracles, resurrection, immortality and other supernatural phenomena in the New Testament are necessary to validate the truth of Jesus's teachings. To me, his teachings stand on their own.
I think that getting bogged down in inter-denominational and inter-translational disagreements and distinctions is actually one of the things that Jesus was most opposed to--i.e., legalism and institutionalized spirituality. I am content to let other people believe what they want to believe. I will tell them what I believe if they ask or if it comes up in conversation, but I'm not big on the multi-level marketing approach to spreading the word.
As for the question about the Christian way of dealing with zombies, I think you gotta just shoot 'em in the head and if you feel the need you can pray about it when you get back to camp.
As for sharing food, outside my family I would probably share a little food if I had a lot. I might share a very little food if I only had a little. If I don't take care of myself, I won't be able to take care of anyone else. Sort of like on the airplanes when they tell you to put your oxygen mask on FIRST.
Throwing stones at Christianity is, to me, not a very productive exercise. Hardcore Christians are just going to throw them back at you, or, if you strike a mortal wound they're just going to take a martyr pose, and you really haven't accomplished anything for your trouble. I'm a little more laid back about things, so when people talk trash about Christianity, I don't argue, I just try to pass along some of Jesus's teachings as a counterpoint to whatever aspect of Christianity they are upset about.
As clear as Jesus tried to be about the role of humility in understanding, people have somehow used his message as a basis for viewing themselves and human beings in general as god-like and somehow not subject to the same laws of our finite world as other creatures. This is obviously cause for concern.
But Gandalf, it sounds like your faith gives gives you a sense of wholeness to your world, and that is something that many people will never feel. A coherent faith can provide a great sense of security and, if nothing else, is probably a good vaccine against disabling mental illness--i.e., just like you take a small amount of harmless viral material as a vaccine against a serious virus, perhaps religion at its best is adopting a small amount of delusional belief in the interest of preventing full blown mental illness as the hopelessness and futility of life begin to gnaw at you.
The trouble, of course, is when that small bit of voluntary delusional belief turns into an affliction worse than the mental illness you were trying to prevent. See the Crusades, the Holocaust, and radical Muslims as examples.
I am not trivializing faith by referring to it as a bit of voluntary delusion. We all have irrational beliefs that give us comfort, starting when you were a kid with the various entities that may have brought you gifts throughout the year.
The one bit of advice I would offer anyone who feels strong in their faith when times are good would be to be prepared to have their sense of confidence and certainty in their faith challenged when times are bad, either personally when you lose someone you love, or socially when the whole world begins to look like it's falling apart as peak oil, global warming, bird flu or some other calamity suddenly makes life a lot harder, and it feels like God has left you.
Some of you may have read about how Mother Teresa apparently felt absolutely no connection to God for something like the last 40 years of her life (based upon her writings that came to light after her death). That struck me as incredibly sad when I heard it. It was like a sincere belief led her to a life of service, but the reality of what she saw during her service made it impossible to preserve the illusions upon which her service was based. Not that she was saying "how can God let these things happen?", but more like "the fact that these things are happening makes it obvious that my understanding of God was flawed from the beginning."
Back on page 4 of this thread Bix Tex posted this. Several pages later Gandalf has not commented on it. I would be curious to here Gandalf and Clueless for that matter respond to this post and share with the board their interpretation of Bix Tex's christian faith.
Thank You
Was the good mother [Theresa] continuing to do what she believed (knew) was right even though every faculty of her being besides her will was opposed to it?
I really got a kick out of Tex's description of me as Gandalf-on-Acid, rofl, that was very flattering.
Umm, I have been through 19 years without Jesus, growing up in a home where there was a significant amount of baggage, shall we say. At 19 I went forward at service in a rescue mission in Alburquerque, NM. I went forward, not simply because I had ended up on the streets at 19, basically unable to function in society for several reasons, but I actually saw something in those people that I had never seen before. I could only describe it as that I heard the voice of the Spirit saying 'This is for you.' or maybe 'Here is God, come to Me.' I am not trying to be quirky there, or campy either. In the ensuing 19 years I have spent probably hundreds of hours studying the Bible, attended numerous churches of different denominations, learned science the right way as an outgrowth of logic and mathematics, fell away at times (though always it was about being angry with a God that I somehow knew existed.) I tried to make myself doubt for a time, I was so angry at the way the world was and I just never wanted to have to play this game where you are the only one doing what's right, the constant nag saying 'Come on guys, what part of thou shalt not don't we get here?' I had to face the unforgiveness that was like stones deep in my heart. I tried to run away from what others would call a 'calling' to ministry. I came to point where I toyed with the darkness.
Ironically it was at that point that I realized how much God had been protecting me from. So many dangerous places I had been when I was on the streets and I was always able to walk through them with a sort of naivete that I am shocked at as I look back. But when the last bought of striving against the Spirit came for me some very dramatic 'signs' started happening. At first I thought I was going mad. I almost believed the lies that I would have whatever I wanted, but then for some reason I could always see behind the chesire grin and realized that if I ever took off that last piece of armor I was going down hard. I won't go into details because it still creeps me out, but really significant and dark coincidences started happening to me. finally I found myself simply praying, almost constantly ,'Lord forgive me, help me. I want the peace back, the Presence of Your Spirit.' Slowly over the course of about three or four months it was like I found each piece of spiritual armor, dirtied and disgarded, some battle marked with the dents and dings of former battles. When God's Spirit girded me up again for the true battle of life I woke up not with armor that could be damaged, but at the point where I am now. The armor of God is a metaphor for the Christian victory over sin and the devil and it is renewed by God's presence in the hearts and minds of those who seek Him. I wait patiently, because I know good wins in the end, I try to give good things even if the actual good done is not apparent to some. Faith is the victory, faith that perseveres is an assurance of eternal life. I preach the Bible as a shield to those who seek a refuge from the cacophony of life. Step out of it all and take that book up to a high hill and read it and pray honestly, the living God will meet you there.
So, yes I have always been one to see things differently. Having some people around who love me deeply has afforded me the time to understand myself and learn how to handle the intesity of it all. I have two college degrees, a family I am proud of, but I can never stop searching for what I see in the Bible, what every fiber of my being tells me is real, a world in which faith (trust in the faithfulness of God) opens for us the hidden realms. Crazy is what it is to say that God is about to judge the earth, but I say it anyway. The Bible is my support, but greater friend has no man than the Holy Spirit, and I would trade everything I am, and have for more of Him. Ironically though that trade is never necessary because He leads us to build our lives around faith in such a way that all things work together for good. It takes trust in God to say such things, but not as much any more, I have seen what awaits me, I have been without God, with God, with his enemies, without need of either [at least in the moment and in my own mind.] The resounding testimony of all that is within me at this very moment is God exists and God is good, Jesus Christ is Lord and the Author of salvation. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Was the good mother continuing to do what she believed (knew) was right even though every faculty of her being besides her will was opposing to it?
I really got a kick out of Tex's description of me as Gandalf-on-Acid, rofl, that was very flattering.
Umm, I have been through 19 years without Jesus growing up in a home where there was a significant amount of baggage, shall we say. At 19 I went forward at service in a rescue mission in Alburquerque, NM. I went forward, not simply because I had ended up on the streets at 19, basically unable to function in society for several reasons, but I actually saw something in those people that I had never seen before. I could only describe it as that I heard the voice of the Spirit saying 'This is for you.' or maybe 'Here is God, come to Me.' I am not trying to be quirky there, or campy either. In the ensuing 19 years I spent probably hundreds of hours studying the Bible, attended numerous churches of different denominations, learned science the right way as an outgrowth of logic and mathematics, fell away at times (though always it was about being angry with a God that I somehow knew existed.) I tried to make myself doubt for a time, I was so angry at the way the world was and I just never wanted to have to play this game where you are the only one doing what's right, the constant nag saying 'Come on guys, what part of thou shalt not don't we get here?' I had to face the unforgiveness that was like stones deep in my heart. I tried to run away from what others would call a 'calling' to ministry. I came to point where I toyed with the darkness. Ironically it was at that point that I realized how much God had been protecting me from. So many dangerous places I had been when I was on the streets and I was always able to walk through them with a sort of naivete that I am shocked at as I look back. But when the last bout of striving against the Spirit came for me some very dramatic 'signs' started happening. At first I thought I was going mad. I almost believed the lies that I would have whatever I wanted, but then for some reason I could always see behind the chesire grin and realized that if I ever took off that last piece of armor I was going down hard. I won't go into details because it still creeps me out, but really significant and dark coincidences started happening to me. finally I found myself simply praying, almost constantly ,'Lord forgive me, help me. I want the peace back, the Presence of Your Spirit.' Slowly over the course of about three or four months it was like I found each piece of spiritual armor, dirtied and disgarded, some battle marked with the dents and dings of former battles. When God's Spirit girded me up again for the true battle of life I woke up as it were at the point I am now. I wait patiently, because I know good wins in the end, I try to give good things even if the actual good done is not apparent to some. I preach the Bible as a shield to those who seek a refuge from the cacophony of life. Step out of it all and take that book up to a high hill and read it and pray honestly, the living God will meet you there. So, yes I have always been one to see things differently. Having some people around who lov eme deeply has afforded me the time ot understand myself and learn how to handle the intesity of it all. I have two college degrees, a family I am proud of, but I can never stop searching for what I see in the Bible, what every fiber of my being tells me is real, a world in which faith (trust in the faithfulness of God) opens for us the hidden realms. Crazy is what it is to say that God is about to judge the earth. The Bible is my support, but greater friend has no man than the Holy Spirit, and I would trade everything I am, and have for more of Him. ironically though that trade is never necessary because He leads us to build our lives around faith in such a way that all things work together for good. It takes trust in God to say such things, but not as much any more, I have seen what awaits me, I have been without God, with God, with his enemies, without need of either. The resounding testimony of all that is within me at this very moment is God exists and God is good.
I'm not sure I follow the good mother bit, but your description of the role of Christianity in your life is inspiring, primarily because it seems to have given you a sense of wholeness, peace and understanding.
I say keep on believing brother, but know that you will rarely be able to share your experience of faith with others in a meaningful way by arguing about religion.
I would say save your arguing energy for peak oil.
And wait until the acid has COMPLETELY worn off before making any posts. _________________
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
BigTex wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Was the good mother continuing to do what she believed (knew) was right even though every faculty of her being besides her will was opposing to it?
I really got a kick out of Tex's description of me as Gandalf-on-Acid, rofl, that was very flattering.
Umm, I have been through 19 years without Jesus growing up in a home where there was a significant amount of baggage, shall we say. At 19 I went forward at service in a rescue mission in Alburquerque, NM. I went forward, not simply because I had ended up on the streets at 19, basically unable to function in society for several reasons, but I actually saw something in those people that I had never seen before. I could only describe it as that I heard the voice of the Spirit saying 'This is for you.' or maybe 'Here is God, come to Me.' I am not trying to be quirky there, or campy either. In the ensuing 19 years I spent probably hundreds of hours studying the Bible, attended numerous churches of different denominations, learned science the right way as an outgrowth of logic and mathematics, fell away at times (though always it was about being angry with a God that I somehow knew existed.) I tried to make myself doubt for a time, I was so angry at the way the world was and I just never wanted to have to play this game where you are the only one doing what's right, the constant nag saying 'Come on guys, what part of thou shalt not don't we get here?' I had to face the unforgiveness that was like stones deep in my heart. I tried to run away from what others would call a 'calling' to ministry. I came to point where I toyed with the darkness. Ironically it was at that point that I realized how much God had been protecting me from. So many dangerous places I had been when I was on the streets and I was always able to walk through them with a sort of naivete that I am shocked at as I look back. But when the last bout of striving against the Spirit came for me some very dramatic 'signs' started happening. At first I thought I was going mad. I almost believed the lies that I would have whatever I wanted, but then for some reason I could always see behind the chesire grin and realized that if I ever took off that last piece of armor I was going down hard. I won't go into details because it still creeps me out, but really significant and dark coincidences started happening to me. finally I found myself simply praying, almost constantly ,'Lord forgive me, help me. I want the peace back, the Presence of Your Spirit.' Slowly over the course of about three or four months it was like I found each piece of spiritual armor, dirtied and disgarded, some battle marked with the dents and dings of former battles. When God's Spirit girded me up again for the true battle of life I woke up as it were at the point I am now. I wait patiently, because I know good wins in the end, I try to give good things even if the actual good done is not apparent to some. I preach the Bible as a shield to those who seek a refuge from the cacophony of life. Step out of it all and take that book up to a high hill and read it and pray honestly, the living God will meet you there. So, yes I have always been one to see things differently. Having some people around who lov eme deeply has afforded me the time ot understand myself and learn how to handle the intesity of it all. I have two college degrees, a family I am proud of, but I can never stop searching for what I see in the Bible, what every fiber of my being tells me is real, a world in which faith (trust in the faithfulness of God) opens for us the hidden realms. Crazy is what it is to say that God is about to judge the earth. The Bible is my support, but greater friend has no man than the Holy Spirit, and I would trade everything I am, and have for more of Him. ironically though that trade is never necessary because He leads us to build our lives around faith in such a way that all things work together for good. It takes trust in God to say such things, but not as much any more, I have seen what awaits me, I have been without God, with God, with his enemies, without need of either. The resounding testimony of all that is within me at this very moment is God exists and God is good.
I'm not sure I follow the good mother bit, but your description of the role of Christianity in your life is inspiring, primarily because it seems to have given you a sense of wholeness, peace and understanding.
I say keep on believing brother, but know that you will rarely be able to share your experience of faith with others in a meaningful way by arguing about religion.
I would say save your arguing energy for peak oil.
And wait until the acid has COMPLETELY worn off before making any posts.
Teresa deserves to be called a mother in the church. How many did she care for as if they were her own children. That was the reference.
I don't recall arguing once in this thread, except I am now arguing that I was not.
Dude I don't do drugs, but I get it. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
zzzpeakoil wrote:
You are most probably, a troll, so you are from now on in my ignore list.
Freud, for example, is reknown to have considered religion a mental disease.
Well, since zzz is now ignoring me (and my heart is broken over that) because as he eloquently put it (and I may be paraphrasing here slightly) he considers me to be a stupid, f***ing, a**hole, not to mention his assertion that I am probably a troll -- all that being the case, he will not see this response.
Still, I will post.
1. What kind of psychologist screams name-calling at other people?
2. And gosh, I guess zzz does not know that, in spite of a lifetime in pursuit of expanding the body of knowledge regarding the human psyche, Freud himself at the end of his life retracted a great deal of what he had put forth over the years - recognizing that he had not quite gotten most of it right. These writings of his were published posthumously. (And that included his prior stance regarding religion.)
Too bad for ZZZ, since he is ignoring me -- he may never know.
Oh, well.
Lumpy _________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
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