Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
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Rice prices hit the $1,000-a-tonne level for the first time on Thursday as panicking importers scrambled to secure supplies, exacerbating the tightness already provoked by export restrictions in Vietnam, India, Egypt, China and Cambodia.
The jump came as the Philippines, the largest rice importer, failed for the fourth time to secure as much rice as it wanted.
The unsuccessful tender followed Bangladesh’s inability to buy any rice at all this week.
Traders and analysts warned that rice demand was escalating in spite of prices rising to three times the level of a year ago as countries try to build up stocks.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
The dynamics of this are interesting although I don't pretend to understand it all.
I wonder if there is another connection not yet discussed. My thought has been that WE (Western Empire) are in a sort of trade balance with OPEC. Oil for water, water in the form of grain and corn and other ag products. The OPEC countries are not really able to feed themselves with their land and water resources.
Is that what is really behind the US not wanting Iran to have nukes? I do not believe that they are purely for humanitarian power production, but perhaps to have more oil to export so that they can buy food?
Anyway, as the cost of oil goes up the cost of food goes up. They strangle us, we starve them. Of course a lot of unfortunates get caught in this game. Collateral damage.
As a second thought I am really creeped out by the idea that we need to give up meat production to feed the masses. I'm a dino in this respect but...........humans are omnivores. Meat has always been an important part of our diet and our culture. What is the point of giving up meat? Merely so we can have yet more humans on the face of the Earth? Why? Don't we have enough already?
This house of cards is too improbably high, the monoculture will fail, we just don't know yet by what mechanism. Something from nature or something of mans inhumanity to man.
Cheerieo _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Specop_007 wrote:
roccman wrote:
golem wrote:
Fark off goof ... take your arsenal and do what your forefathers suggested you do...with the right to bear arms...chicken crap...eh?
Who ya waitin' for Barack or Hilary to be in power, there never was a better time.
5000+ posts of dumb ass redneck drivel.
Za Za Za Zinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!
Must be the first post you ever read from this guy I take it. We can forgive you I guess, I try not to read his short bus drivel either.
You gotta understand Rocc, Raph is actually just pissed off because he sees his own demise at hand. HE is one of those going hungry. He cares not for that religious crap he spews nor does he really give a rats ass about his fellow man. He just understands that as being one of those poor worthless Fark who are too lazy to do anything, hes also one of those broke Fark who are going down with the ship while...well....while some of us....we aren't.
What you see is quite simply called jealousy. Mixed in of course with a good dose of fear. So while hes shitting himself and pointing fingers the rest of us are getting off our ass and doing something, and hell if those some of us are smart we might even walk away with an extra buck or two out of this whole stinkin pile of crap.
Take it from brother, dont waste your time reading his posts and riding his cock. Get off your ass and in the words of Too Short "Get yours baby". Aint room in the life raft for everyone, so work to earn your place. The whole farking goddamned WORLD is sitting there on the poker table. Take your chances, make your bet....You knows, you might win.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Specop_007 wrote:
roccman wrote:
Whatever you're smoking it's illegal...
What part of what I said is wrong?? You know it, deep down inside, that every word is true.
You'll never admit it of course, but thats ok. I know it and you know it, and your denying it or ignoring it is simply all the more satisfying to me.
Golem's posts are some of the most well written ...most meaningful...intelligent posts of all the posters at PO.
The truth is you have not taken the time to read them AND then jump down the rabbit hole.
I do and I have.
The view from down here is very empowering...you may find it to your liking if only you could put the fear beside you for a moment. _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Specop, When I read your posts I just feel sad for you. It's all bluster and toughness to protect a sensitive nature. Golem wears his sensitivity like a badge of honour and that's what drives you so nuts. He represents the part of yourself that you are desperately trying to hide, or destroy. Of all the posters on these forums, Golem is the most creative, and also the one with the most grit. He will outshine most of us when tshtf.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
yesplease wrote:
wisconsin_cur wrote:
Since there are no new continents to colonize and a lot of marginal areas are already cultivated I was taking a stab at where those additional acres would come from.
Oh shoot, my bad. From what I've read Africa has a ton of arable land, but most of it isn't used due to political instability. Likely caused by you know who...
Doing a quick search you may be right about land in Africa that could be converted to useful service.
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
You have to give specop some credit. He's got this forum dialed in. He comes on here and knows exactly where to poke and prod, until he gets a bunch of people's panties in bunch. Then he has a few giggles and heads to the range.
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
TT wrote:
manu wrote:
This may seem to simple for all the jack-asses in the gov'ts around the world, but have the people plow the land with the oxen or bull.
They will also give fertilizer, and it will be better than the artificial kind which is depleting the land. You will also please God and He gives the rains to grow the grains. So simple living and high thinking are the answer. Remember, you can't eat nuts and bolts.
Glad to see that you've solved the problems of starvation. How do you plan to feed the oxen and bulls? Will that be in the same paddocks that people are using to grow food.
How will oxen and bulls help with the terrible droughts affecting the world?
And manure on the run ......Ohhh .... I get it now. Oxen and BULLSHIT solve everyting.
With grass. Not too many people eat grass, but some smoke it!
The droughts are caused by people going away from God and nature and putting their trust in Monsanto and other big corporations who are exploiting nature, animals and men. Stop killing the cow and the rains will come. Man does not control nature so should be in harmony with it. Stop exploitation of the environment and put back what you take out of it. Simple rules, but if you break them be ready for the consequences.
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
As the dollar weakens and yield on most investments suffer, people are putting their money into commodities and bidding up the price. There are core problems with supply, but the frenzy surrounding the problem is creating a bubble in commodities, including oil. Oil should settle back around 70.00 or 80.00 per barrel, wheat at 10.00, etc..
Rising prices for organic groceries are prompting some consumers to question their devotion to food produced without pesticides, chemical fertilizers or antibiotics. In some parts of the country, a loaf of organic bread can cost $4.50, a pound of pasta has hit $3, and organic milk is closing in on $7 a gallon.
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J.R.R. Tolkien
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
seldom_seen wrote:
You have to give specop some credit.
I still am amazed that he broke his hymen. I mean, how did this redneck insensitive SOB ever find the inner strength to confess that he broke his hymen? Of course, this goes back about 4 years. Maybe it's healed since then. _________________ Turn those Machines back On! - Don Ameche in Trading Places
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
wisconsin_cur wrote:
Quote:
but most of it isn't used due to political instability. Likely caused by you know who...
Their own leaders, like Zimbabwe?
In some cases yes, but in others, those leaders are installed with help from other nations and/or groups, in order to keep the people in line so that those nations and/or groups can do what they want to do. _________________
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
"Aint room in the life raft for everyone, so work to earn your place. The whole farking goddamned WORLD is sitting there on the poker table. Take your chances, make your bet....You knows, you might win."
And pity the winners. That life rafting poker game that many here fantasize about is so wrong in so many ways I don't know where to begin with. I'm not saying it isn't a self fullfilling prediction, quite probably it is, but imagine living in society of life rafters, with only the meanest, bulliest and most dishonourable (kicking women and children aside to get a place on the raft) "survivalists" surviving... no thanks. Living in a society ruled by life rafters so fearfull of death that they cling by nail and teeth to the last drop of their miserable lives, all others be damned, is allready bad enough - so who in his/her right mind would want to live in a society where there are only life rafters, passing their life rafting values to (non-existant) "future generations".
I'm not saying I would not want to live in a nice ecovillage, if circumstances allowed, and not denying the life raft aspect of ecovillages. But there is much more there than just most short sighted egotistic survivalism: learning together new forms of social organization, ecological harmony, spiritual evolution etc., strong sense of responsibility to many many future generations... and to Mama Earth herself.
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