Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Teresa deserves to be called a mother in the church. How many did she care for as if they were her own children. That was the reference.
I don't recall arguing once in this thread, except I am now arguing that I was not.
Dude I don't do drugs, but I get it.
Mother Teresa provided good service. I wish that she had felt more peace for her trouble.
Perhaps you aren't arguing. If not, then credit to you for leading a discussion about Christianity with a bunch of doomers without it turning into a finger pointing quick-draw contest.
I understand that you don't do drugs. Do you maybe have a nip of the holy water from time to time when you are posting here? I have detected a little slurred speech in your posts occasionally (I may just have a tin ear on that one, though).
I believe Ibon asked for comments or an interpretation of my views on Christianity that I shared earlier. If you would like to comment I would be interested in hearing your thoughts. _________________
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
BigTex wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Teresa deserves to be called a mother in the church. How many did she care for as if they were her own children. That was the reference.
I don't recall arguing once in this thread, except I am now arguing that I was not.
Dude I don't do drugs, but I get it.
Mother Teresa provided good service. I wish that she had felt more peace for her trouble.
Perhaps you aren't arguing. If not, then credit to you for leading a discussion about Christianity with a bunch of doomers without it turning into a finger pointing quick-draw contest.
I understand that you don't do drugs. Do you maybe have a nip of the holy water from time to time when you are posting here? I have detected a little slurred speech in your posts occasionally (I may just have a tin ear on that one, though).
I believe Ibon asked for comments or an interpretation of my views on Christianity that I shared earlier. If you would like to comment I would be interested in hearing your thoughts.
I get that slurred mindset when I am grieving, when it is just too much for me. I do not recall ever posting here drunk and I rarely drink any more. But certainly I think some of the posts are more expressions of a sense of grief and futility in dealing with something that did not need to be. We did not have to choose to use oil this way, America claimed such an enlightened beginning but in the end it appears not to have escaped from very fundamental tendencies within the species. As of late though I am more and more not having those deep grief sessions. I have been around peak oil for several years now so I have had time to work through the process. Did you see my post about the invisible hand groping Jeffrey Sachs? I though that one was clever, but probably inappropriate.
Like all humans I have said things in the past that I regret. I can't say as that I will never do that again, but I have noticed a big change since I have been seeking God more. For example of a past blunder, when I was really in a dark time a few years ago, I was in an argument in a forum with someone and I used the phrase 'tear you a new ***hole.' Well when we were growing up that was something that was sort of a trendy way of saying 'I'm gonna kick your ***' I grew up secluded, we had our little clique things and just said them. Well, the person I was arguing with took it as a personal threat related to gay rape. At least that is how they portrayed their disgust. The whole thing actually made me feel dirty because I had not started the argument and then this person took what I said completely out of the context in which I meant it. But I soon learned the ways of the Net. Much better to just shine things on then to engage in a fight in a medium where almost anything can be inferred from the words 'Hello World!'
As for commenting on your Christianity, I think I already have given a witness about what is possible in a relationship with God in Christ. I am very aware of the many Christians who live on some degree of the deconstructionist scale. Start with not believing God does miracles. Next wonder if maybe God exists at all except as a creation of men who needed to explain their own insecurities and control the people around them using theirs. Slippery slope is usually a logical fallacy (sometimes slippery slopes actually exist), but I think there is a slippery slope into the darkness of denial. It would be for you to judge if you have a form of religion that denies the power of God.
If you ever feel yourself lacking closeness to God, I would encourage you to do the craziest thing, take a Bible and get out somewhere far away from everything, spend some time considering the peacefulness and looking over the issues of life and then open the book up to John chapters 12-16, offer a short and sincere 'I'm willing if you are there Lord' and start reading. I think God would honor that and speak to you. Certainly your general description of your world view is 'christ-like.' Jesus used his confrontational savvy in only one instance where He was not provoked, that was upon entering the temple and recognizing what the Jews had done to that house of prayer. Other than that He was seeking and saving the lost.
I think some people get scared away from the Book of Revelation because it seems crazy from the perspective of the modern psycho-babble society, but really it is simply a notice to the residents of the world that the Landlord will follow through on eviction if they don't get it together. The mode for getting it together is to repent and believe in Jesus. I am glad that God will eventually put an end to it and say 'Close the doors. Time to shut down this show and get the stage set for the next one.'
My question to you would be are you fulfilled by your faith? Are you willing to forsake anything the Bible calls sin to experience a relationship with God that will validate every correct interpretation of the Bible, and your own eternal life through faith in Jesus?
Now, if I am preaching to the squire here let it fall off of you. But if it touches your heart take your own time to deal with it as seems best to you. I will pray for you that any assurance you seek you will find, if for the first time or again after having lost it. God is love, John tells us that, and the life of every believer confirms it.
If you would like me to exegete something to give you a perspective on how I see the Scripture I would be happy to do that. I quote the Bible because I consider it authoritative in spiritual matters (and therefore in many temporal matters) but sometimes I forget the way quotation can be viewed by those outside the circles I usually walk in. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
As for commenting on your Christianity, I think I already have given a witness about what is possible in a relationship with God in Christ. I am very aware of the many Christians who live on some degree of the deconstructionist scale.
"Deconstructionist scale" is an interpretation of yours, not a claim of mine, right?
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Start with not believing God does miracles.
That's not what I wrote. What I wrote was that the validity and truth of Jesus's message are not contingent upon the performance of miracles. I didn't say that it didn't happen, I just said that it is not that important to me either way.
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Next wonder if maybe God exists at all except as a creation of men who needed to explain their own insecurities and control the people around them using theirs.
Why must it be either/or? Is it not possible for God to exist apart from our conception of him?
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Slippery slope is usually a logical fallacy (sometimes slipery slopes actually exist), but I think there is a slippery slope into the darkness of denial.
Denial of what? Sometimes a slope just looks slippery because of the way your head is tilted.
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It would be for you to judge if you have a form of religion that denies the power of God.
What do you mean by the "power of God"?
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If you ever feel yourself lacking closeness to God, I would encourage you to do the craziest thing, take a bible and get out somewhere far away from everything, spend some time considering the peacefulness and looking over the issues of life and then open the book up to John chapters 12-16, offer short 'I'm willing if you are there Lord' and start reading. I think God would honor that and speak to you.
If it ever comes to that I may give it a try. John is not one of my favorites because of its dreamlike tone, but I will keep that one in the quiver.
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Certainly your general description of your world view is christ like, Jesus used his confrontational savvy in only one instance where he was not provoked, that was upon entereing the temple and recognizing what the Jews had done to that house of prayer. Other than that He was seeking and saving the lost.
It seems to me that having a worldview that is Christlike is one of the highest expressions of Christianity. I will take that as a compliment.
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I think some people get scared away from the Book of Revelation because it seems crazy from the perspective of the modern psycho-babble society, but really it is simply a notice to the residents of the world that the Landlord will follow through on eviction if they don't get it together.
If you interpret the allegory broadly enough, Revelation could actually be a book about peak oil.
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I am glad that God would eventually put and end to it and say close the doors, time to shut down this show and get the stage set for the next one.
Are you thinking Tower of Babel, another flood, or maybe...just maybe...a die-off?
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My question to you would be are you fulfilled by your faith?
Yes. Still polishing the edges, though.
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Are you willing to forsake anything the Bible calls sin to experience a relationship with God that will validate every correct interpretation of the Bible, and your own eternal life?
Okay, that was a 23 idea pile-up. I have the same uneasy relationship with sin that we all do. I do not know what "correct" interpretations of the Bible are. I also don't know what "eternal life" means. I used to have an idea, but experience has blurred the lines a bit. I am certain of this moment, the rest is a little fuzzy.
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Now, if I am preaching to the squire here let it fall off of you. But if it touches your heart take your own time to deal with it as seems best to you.
I thought you called me a squirrel for a second.
You are sharing your sincere beliefs. I always enjoy sincerity, so long as it is not accompanied by threats.
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I will pray for you that any assurance you seek you will find, if for the first time or again after having lost it. God is love, John tells us that, and the life of every believer confirms it.
I think it is worth asking oneself whether some of the assurances we seek are reasonable in the first place. My seven year old would like assurances of unlimited toys. Many adults would like assurances of immortality. Others would like assurance of wealth or power. The only assurance I would like is that I will have the opportunity to find meaning in life. One day I will die and I think that looking back and seeing days filled with meaning and purpose will be satisfying. It makes me sad to see people reach the end of life, only to find a loss of faith because the assurances that were sought through their beliefs were unrealistic in the first place.
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If you would like me to exegete something to give you a perspective on how I see the Scripture I would be happy to do that. I quote the Bible because I consider it authoritative in spiritual matters (and therefore in many temporal matters) but sometimes I forget the way quotation can be viewed by those outside the circles I usually walk in.
You rest, I'll drive for a while.
Here are a few I like from the New King James version:
"It is honorable for a man to stop striving,
Since any fool can start a quarrel."
-Proverbs 20:3
"For the living know that they will die;
But the dead know nothing.
And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, their hatred,
and their envy have now perished;
Nevermore will they have a share
In anything done under the sun"
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
"Live joyfully with the wife whom you love all the days of your vain life which He has given you under the sun, all your days of vanity; for that is your portion in life, and in the labor which you perform under the sun.
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going."
Ecclesiastes 9:9-10
"Therefore, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for today is its own trouble."
-Matthew 6:34
"So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God."
-James 2:19-20
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
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You did not answer the question. I do not believe that Christians should kill, ever, under any circumstances. We can play with the verbage "Word of God" and what that means but I find more compelling how you respond to the word more than what you call it. So again, do you practice the sermon on the mount/plain or not?
It doesn't matter what you call the scripture if you only use them to condemn and judge others and do not let it guide and instruct you esp when it is hard and certainly when it goes against one's culture.
Are you referring to war ? I happen to be a pacifist personally, I do not believe any person should have to be killed to protect my "way of life" or anything else.
That being said - if it came down to going to war I could not live with my self if I were to "dodge the draft" or something to that effect knowing that some other person had to go and maybe even be killed in my place...
So to answer you question, by default I personally would go to war, not because I necesarlly believe in it (I do believe some wars are justified though), but because I could not live with myself knowing that I "dodged" and another may have gone (and been killed) in my place.
1. This position makes no sense. There is no such thing as a pacifist that goes to war.
2. People do not go to war to die they go to war to kill. Since the end of the WW1 American draft law has made allowance for religious pacifists and you get sent to work somewhere else in some other important civilian job or a non-combatant role (depending upon your classification). _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
SolarDave wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
This is a thread where I intend to answer any and all questions about my christian faith and peak oil that I can. ...
Observation/question:
In a way, mankind is going about the business of making oil "extinct." Burn it all, use it all, consume it all, whatever.
It appears similar human behavior is causing many species to become extinct.
I know that is a very vague comparison of outcomes, but the causes seem to be somewhat similar - lack of respect for the value of the thing being consumed, and eventually no more thing. The recent Salmon news comes to mind.
What is the Christian take on mankind eating a species to extinction or consuming a natural resource to depletion? Is there anything like "though shalt not mindlessly consume" or is it all "got forth and multiply" - resulting in no fish, no oil, no space, no clean water, no rain forests, no .... I guess another way to phrase it is "Is God a Cornucopian?" as in "Don't worry, I'll make more?"
I never hear any of my Christian acquaintances lament the loss of species on the way to their SUVs. If they care that little about permanently eradicating living things, why would they care care about using up liquid hydrocarbons, which are not alive? Should they care? Is there anything inherently "sinful" about Human Beings consuming an earthly thing (animal, vegetable, mineral) out of existence?
Sorry if this is off topic, or too metaphysical. Like I said, treat it as an observation if it's a ridiculous question like "what does the color blue weigh?".
Hey there,
I'll give you some reasoning that I think shines a light on it. If you want something more detailed with maybe more sciprture references just ask and I'll do my best.
On the issue of polluting the world to the point that would cause ourselves ill health, I think it must be easy to argue that if God is at least as smart as I am that He did not intend that when he told them to subdue the earth and till it and keep it, and go forth and multiply. There is also some hint that the responsiblities of the Garden of Eden to groom it were different than the life man found after that when in hard labor he would work the land. Eden was more like hunter/gatherer paradise, or so the description would seem. I don't want to focus on whether you believe in the Garden of Eden as a real place or as a metaphor.
As for the species that are not important to us. Most American Christians live with little real concern as far as I can tell. I pseronally do not live that way, I respect life the more so because I believe it was created though perhaps not in the form we see it now. The ecosystems are themselves sublime organisms. I reserve the right of any other animal to survive and to shape the ecosystem in line with out mutual needs. Though I believe humans are more than animals, and because of this I feel we have an extra responsibility to take only what is reasonable. Science has allowed us to distance ourselves from the nature of our impact and I think sin has used that to produce a society that can only bring forth death in the end. Fortunately, our way of life will be the death of itself long before it is the death of all life on earth. I believe the Lord will return long before that, but even if by some chance I am wrong, I think a visitor finding earth in ten million years would be hard pressed to find evidence of the age of oil unless they already knew what they were looking for.
Does that answer the question? The Bible actually is filled to alot of interesting references to different species of animals that suggests the Jews had knowledge of the ecosystem and respected it. Why would they use the ants as a metaphor for prudence and thrift if they did not observe them enough to see how they work?
There is a body of believers in America to day, and then there is the American church. The intersection is non-empty, but some part of the apparent church is not Christian at all.
Have you ever heard of the emmergent church? Just wondering what you think about that.
I'll google it. Thanks! _________________ 100% of the electricity needed for this post was generated by ME.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:12 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
SolarDave wrote:
Observation/question:
In a way, mankind is going about the business of making oil "extinct." Burn it all, use it all, consume it all, whatever.
It appears similar human behavior is causing many species to become extinct.
I know that is a very vague comparison of outcomes, but the causes seem to be somewhat similar - lack of respect for the value of the thing being consumed, and eventually no more thing. The recent Salmon news comes to mind.
What is the Christian take on mankind eating a species to extinction or consuming a natural resource to depletion? Is there anything like "though shalt not mindlessly consume" or is it all "got forth and multiply" - resulting in no fish, no oil, no space, no clean water, no rain forests, no .... I guess another way to phrase it is "Is God a Cornucopian?" as in "Don't worry, I'll make more?"
I never hear any of my Christian acquaintances lament the loss of species on the way to their SUVs. If they care that little about permanently eradicating living things, why would they care care about using up liquid hydrocarbons, which are not alive? Should they care? Is there anything inherently "sinful" about Human Beings consuming an earthly thing (animal, vegetable, mineral) out of existence?
Sorry if this is off topic, or too metaphysical. Like I said, treat it as an observation if it's a ridiculous question like "what does the color blue weigh?".
Dave This is a topic I have addressed many many many times in this board. Prior to sin entering the world the world was a much different place. There was an ice canopy in the atmosphere creating a global greenhouse effect and hyperbaric living conditions. Things grew faster, larger and more abundanlty. When the first act of disobedience was committed the earth was most likely hit by a meteor, The earth is wobbling in a way that validates that fact, it crushed the ice canopy, created the "ice age" and global flood (spoken of by Noah) and living conditions were much much different after that. This is all validated by finds of tropical vegetation in places like siberia and greenland.
For 4500 years mankind lived off the land and struggled, the food chain was altered, things did not grow as big as they once did and it was much harder work, mankind "labored" where as before he "Tended".
In the industrial age we have in a sense "beat the curse" by using stored energy that was burried during the flood of Noah to feed our current living arrangements, and are now going to pay the price for it. God gave the Israelites specific instructions on land use and many other things that relate to sustainability which are being completely ignored these days, and yes you are right, most Christians (or visible ones these days) are completely ignorant of this.
For times sake I cannot share all the Biblical verses, but I assure you everything I shared is in the Bible and validated scientifcally.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
Dave This is a topic I have addressed many many many times in this board. Prior to sin entering the world the world was a much different place. There was an ice canopy in the atmosphere creating a global greenhouse effect and hyperbaric living conditions. Things grew faster, larger and more abundanlty. When the first act of disobedience was committed the earth was most likely hit by a meteor, The earth is wobbling in a way that validates that fact, it crushed the ice canopy, created the "ice age" and global flood (spoken of by Noah) and living conditions were much much different after that. This is all validated by finds of tropical vegetation in places like siberia and greenland.
For 4500 years mankind lived off the land and struggled, the food chain was altered, things did not grow as big as they once did and it was much harder work, mankind "labored" where as before he "Tended".
In the industrial age we have in a sense "beat the curse" by using stored energy that was burried during the flood of Noah to feed our current living arrangements, and are now going to pay the price for it. God gave the Israelites specific instructions on land use and many other things that relate to sustainability which are being completely ignored these days, and yes you are right, most Christians (or visible ones these days) are completely ignorant of this.
For times sake I cannot share all the Biblical verses, but I assure you everything I shared is in the Bible and validated scientifcally.
... ummm yeah, wow... just a conversation stopping "wow." _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
wisconsin_cur wrote:
clueless wrote:
Dave This is a topic I have addressed many many many times in this board. Prior to sin entering the world the world was a much different place. There was an ice canopy in the atmosphere creating a global greenhouse effect and hyperbaric living conditions. Things grew faster, larger and more abundanlty. When the first act of disobedience was committed the earth was most likely hit by a meteor, The earth is wobbling in a way that validates that fact, it crushed the ice canopy, created the "ice age" and global flood (spoken of by Noah) and living conditions were much much different after that. This is all validated by finds of tropical vegetation in places like siberia and greenland.
For 4500 years mankind lived off the land and struggled, the food chain was altered, things did not grow as big as they once did and it was much harder work, mankind "labored" where as before he "Tended".
In the industrial age we have in a sense "beat the curse" by using stored energy that was burried during the flood of Noah to feed our current living arrangements, and are now going to pay the price for it. God gave the Israelites specific instructions on land use and many other things that relate to sustainability which are being completely ignored these days, and yes you are right, most Christians (or visible ones these days) are completely ignorant of this.
For times sake I cannot share all the Biblical verses, but I assure you everything I shared is in the Bible and validated scientifcally.
... ummm yeah, wow... just a conversation stopping "wow."
You know, I wonder what the role of faith would be if every aspect of the Bible or of any religion could be "validated scientifically."
That's an odd way to describe any aspect of spirituality. _________________
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
BigTex wrote:
You know, I wonder what the role of faith would be if every aspect of the Bible or of any religion could be "validated scientifically."
That's an odd way to describe any aspect of spirituality.
That's certainly one thing I don't understand about the "creation science" types - that they work so hard to "scientifically validate" matters of faith. I don't understand the kind of faith that needs to be "scientifically validated." _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
BigTex wrote:
You know, I wonder what the role of faith would be if every aspect of the Bible or of any religion could be "validated scientifically."
That's an odd way to describe any aspect of spirituality.
That's certainly one thing I don't understand about the "creation science" types - that they work so hard to "scientifically validate" matters of faith. I don't understand the kind of faith that needs to be "scientifically validated."
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
BigTex wrote:
You know, I wonder what the role of faith would be if every aspect of the Bible or of any religion could be "validated scientifically."
That's an odd way to describe any aspect of spirituality.
That's certainly one thing I don't understand about the "creation science" types - that they work so hard to "scientifically validate" matters of faith. I don't understand the kind of faith that needs to be "scientifically validated."
I didn't say my faith is validated scientifcally did I Ludi ? I said the statements I made are validated scientifically. Let's stop with the Strawman tactics. I am not a "creation scientist" and could really care less what anybody thinks. But when you start at the beginning - The Origin of the Universe you have no answers Ludi - Nothing, so I beleve in Faith that God created it. Who are you to inquire or make any type of judgement about faith ? You have not the slightest idea of what I am talking about, you believe the Pope is God.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
wisconsin_cur wrote:
1. This position makes no sense. There is no such thing as a pacifist that goes to war.
2. People do not go to war to die they go to war to kill. Since the end of the WW1 American draft law has made allowance for religious pacifists and you get sent to work somewhere else in some other important civilian job or a non-combatant role (depending upon your classification).
It makes no sense to you, I simply stated I could not allow someone to go to war in my place..Did I offend you ? And are you really claiming to know what every persons motives are for going to war ?
Are you a Draft Dodger Wis ?
I won't bother responding in kind to your comment on my post about the Flood, but since you are obsessed about Oil let me ask you one thing: How did all the Organic matter get burried in the quantities it wouldl take to create a Gharwar ? If you have any amount of common sense at all you will be able to see it had to happen at one specific point in time, not to mention oil is found under sedimentary rock, which in many cases are in the middle of deserts.
Believing it took "billions of years" is acutally more silly than mine...SO to you WIS - I say WOW !!!!
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Big Tex and all the rest.
Please consider this:
People and the world are going to pass away (that includes Energy and Matter) the universe is not steady state and/or finite.
There is far far too much discussion and concern over who does what, and/or why they do that in this or that scenario. This is all fruitless discussion that in the end takes us nowhere.
People are imperfect, we do stupid and selfish things, always have always will. The question is: What is going to happen after we die ? Do we simply cease to exist ? Do we enter an afterlife ? Nobody really knows. Could it be possible we will have the option to exist with a perfect creator for eternity ? And if so, how can this happen ?
There are many "truth claims" on these blog pages, but in the end nobody really knows, do they ? I urge you to examine yourselfs friends, I have nothing to gain by pleading with you.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
I didn't say my faith is validated scientifcally did I Ludi ? I said the statements I made are validated scientifically. Let's stop with the Strawman tactics. I am not a "creation scientist" and could really care less what anybody thinks. But when you start at the beginning - The Origin of the Universe you have no answers Ludi - Nothing, so I beleve in Faith that God created it. Who are you to inquire or make any type of judgement about faith ? You have not the slightest idea of what I am talking about, you believe the Pope is God.
I wasn't talking to you, clueless.
The rest of your babbling makes no sense either. I'm not a Catholic.
You are a genuine laff riot.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
Nobody really knows.
The most intelligent thing clueless has ever said here. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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