Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
I don't believe in The Truth.
So you are believing a Lie ?
2Th 2:9-12 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
So you are believing a Lie ?
I don't think I'm believing anything, actually. That's the problem. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
clueless wrote:
So you are believing a Lie ?
I don't think I'm believing anything, actually. That's the problem.
Why ? You are certainly very involved in Peak Oil, which is a pretty serious subject and you are pretty well read on many things. WHy would you not be intersted in a message that claims to be from God that exists beyond our realm of existence and gives your life a purpose, future and a hope ? Christianity is really not a tough sell in my opinion, I don't understand why more people do not want to believe.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Here's a good quote for me:
2 P 3:9
" The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (KJV)
God's will be done. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
Here's a good quote for me:
2 P 3:9
" The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (KJV)
God's will be done.
Ludi - I apologize for going off on you..I was out of line.
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
Quote:
I like that you have verses which inform your conduct. I seems like we would agree on that, being Christian is about saying and doing, thinking and acting. I am restrained in my actions 'for God' by the words of Paul to Timothy among which this one stands out to me, since I was intemperate in my youth.
Big Tex this is not doctrinally correct. We are to show our faith by our works, but again we get into a subject of reletavism here which in the end leads us nowhere as unless a person is willing to accept a source of absolute truth (in my case the Bible), there is no place a person can justify any sense of right and wrong.
As my friend Ludi does - She claims to have a source of truth but uses Wiccans, Popes, Hindu's and the like to support that source, as you can see Truth cannot be self-contradictory.
Our works and labors on this planet in the eyes of God get us nowhere, which is my point about imperfection, are some more imperfect than others ? Certainly so, but imperfection is imperfection especially when confronted with perfection.
I hope to do good works to my fellow man, but I believe the ultimate "good work" is for them to know the ultimate source of Truth. As we can see some here are offended by my "works" but I cannot do anything about that, that is what I believe is a good work modeled by Christ - His ultimate purpose was to come to seek and save that which was lost.
What doctrinal statement are you claiming is in there? You and I have different styles but I certainly believe that salvation comes only by hearing the Word and believing it. You seem to give 'em both barrels of Scripture all the time. Where is the compassion and the patience, the fruit that demonstrate that your own soul is submitted to the Lord?
I've sat quietly by while you have lambasted everyone here like a gunslinger in training. There is no benefit to you from force feeding the gospel to everyone who passes by if the fruit of the Spirit are not evident in the way you live and speak.
I am certain that you will continue to do what you wish whether you are needlessly offending people or not. I pray that you will reconsider and not so lightly disregard the demeanor that is expected for those who claim to be messengers of God.
I, least of anyone here, am ashamed of your attitude, not necessarily disagreeing with your words. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
I hope to do good works to my fellow man, but I believe the ultimate "good work" is for them to know the ultimate source of Truth. As we can see some here are offended by my "works" but I cannot do anything about that
You misplaced the quotation marks. Let's try that last sentence again and place them correctly.
As we can see some here are offended by "my"works but I cannot do anything about that.
The hypocracy of presenting ones faith as the ultimate soldier of Christ and Truth and not recognizing that this is really all about yourself in the end....Clueless, your position is frankly all about you. _________________ Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
clueless wrote:
Big Tex this is not doctrinally correct.
Well isn't that special.
Clueless, what is your goal in this discussion?
You're coming across like a piano teacher with students WHO JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT RIGHT.
I'm not understanding how you became the gatekeeper of truth.
We read the same Bible, but somehow your understanding of it is more valid and authoritative than anyone else's.
As well-intended as your efforts may be, your approach is squarely argumentative, and THAT is not the way to share your belief about ANYTHING if your goal is to help bring someone to the faith.
Here is RULE #1 if you want someone to respect your beliefs: RESPECT THEIRS. Otherwise, you will never get beyond wallowing in this bog of religious tit for tat.
Your style is contentious, and the trouble with contention is that it often leads to an impasse where both sides spend much of their energy just to hold their ground and each side slowly exhausts the other, but neither ever actually prevails. Conflicts like that are pointless. I'm surprised you don't see that. You are convincing no one here of anything except that dogma is not very endearing.
Try finding some common ground and working from there. You might be surprised at how much better it works. _________________
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
According to a recent study, the percentages of people outside churches who describe Christians with the following words are:
* antihomosexual 91%
* judgmental 87%
* hypocritical 85%
* old-fashioned 78%
* too political 75% (=too right-wing?)
* out of touch with reality 72%
* insensitive to others 70%
* boring 68%
It would be nice to know how much of these attitudes are caused by the message and how much by some Christians' arrogance and lack of consideration in their interaction with non-believers. _________________ "The progress of civilization:
bondage --> spiritual faith --> courage --> liberty --> abundance --> complacency --> apathy --> dependence --> bondage." - Alexander Tyler
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Big Tex, Yes, respect THEIR beliefs. Well said.
Is Peak Oil forums a kind of purgatory?
The Great Conversation is a reference to what many Catholic apologists believe happens in purgatory.[1] In effect, people in purgatory are to naturally converse with each other in an effort to determine where they are and how they got there. Think of a big social gathering in which every participant has, almost invariably, the exact same questions on his or her mind.[1]
The most philosophically, spiritually, and psychologically brilliant book I've ever read is C.S. Lewis' "Great Divide" I've read the complete works of Lewis, but remain not quite Christian, in the traditional understanding of what being a Christian is.
From Amazon book reviews: The Great Divide:
"Lewis uses the image of a bus trip taken by a few hardy souls - some of whom have an agenda, others who have nothing better to do - to a familiar yet fantastic place where they discover themselves to be ghosts in a realm of "solid people". Through a series of vignettes, the narrator describes the travails of other ghosts who contend with the roadblocks to salvation - pride, jealousy, vengeance, lust, and the love of earthly life itself.
Lewis' theology owes much to the character "My Teacher", George MacDonald. A universalist, MacDonald echoes the sentiment that would dominate Lewis' other writings: that those who are condemned to Hell are there because they chose to be there over Heaven. Another readily apparent Lewis theme is that human emotions or feelings are two-edged: they can be used for purposes noble or evil. "Love begins to be a demon when he begins to be a god", lower case "g" in god emphasized, Lewis would later write in "The Four Loves". In The Great Divorce he shows that concept in action"
Another book review...very intriguing, by an atheist. Have to admit, Lewis had broad broad appeal.
"I don't happen to be a believer in a higher power, Christian or otherwise, but I thoroughly enjoyed this bus ride from the very first page. C.S. Lewis' writing is contemporary and hits a nerve. A voracious reader I rarely have time to re-read a book but, I've picked up this one several times; you'll never forget the story. It's the kind of book you can open at any page and have a good read. He shows you that it's the little character flaws that keep you small, and feeling good about yourself. And little they are, but powerful. I promise you won't be disappointed. This book is a fairy tale for adults (definitely not for children). It didn't change my views about re4ligion, but it changed me."
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Fredrik wrote:
According to a recent study, the percentages of people outside churches who describe Christians with the following words are:
* antihomosexual 91%
* judgmental 87%
* hypocritical 85%
* old-fashioned 78%
* too political 75% (=too right-wing?)
* out of touch with reality 72%
* insensitive to others 70%
* boring 68%
It would be nice to know how much of these attitudes are caused by the message and how much by some Christians' arrogance and lack of consideration in their interaction with non-believers.
They are describing the ones attracted to the social control aspect of an institution more than mystical Christians.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
threadbear wrote:
The most philosophically, spiritually, and psychologically brilliant book I've ever read is C.S. Lewis' "Great Divide" I've read the complete works of Lewis, but remain not quite Christian, in the traditional understanding of what being a Christian is.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
I found Lewis's arguments very convincing when I was a "Christian," less so later.
I haven't read "The Great Divorce," but quite a few of his other works. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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