Peak Oil News

 

  Login or Register
 
Menu
 News
 Search
 Topics
 Stories Archive
 Submit News
 Discussions
 Code of Conduct
 Forums
 Forums Search
 Last 24 Hours
 PO 24hrs
 Peak Blog
 Resources
 About Us
 Downloads
 Web Links
 PeakWiki
 PeakPortal
 Focus Search
 Peak TV
 Peak Oil Boston
 Houston Peak Oil
 Members
 Your Account
 Members List
 Ignore List
 JOIN!
 Private Messages
 
google
 
PeakSpeak
NICKNAME

Download TeamSpeak
What is PeakSpeak?
Peak Oil on IRC
 
Photo Album
Submit Photo
Peakoil.com is You!


member photos
 
Light Sweet Crude Oil
 
Member Quotes
Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.

shortonoil

Suggest Quote

 
ICM
Cisco & Net App Training
 
Peak Oil News: Forums

Peakoil.com :: View topic - Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2009
 Forum FAQForum FAQ   SearchSearch   UsergroupsUsergroups   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2009
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer-friendly version    Peakoil.com Forum Index -> Current Events
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
seahorse
Expert
Expert


Joined: Oct 15, 2004
Posts: 2256
Location: Arkansas

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2009 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Saudi Arabia will not be expanding production capacity after 2009 (its target to get to 12.5 mbpd).

Quote:
Saudi Arabia to Pause Adding New Oil Capacity After 2009
By Spencer Swartz and Natalie Obiko Pearson Dow Jones

ROME -- In another bullish signal to global oil markets, Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, says it has no plans to beef up its oil production capacity beyond the amount it is already pursuing for several years until it gets clearer signs about future crude consumption.

Saudi Arabia is in the midst of a more-than-$50 billion, multiyear oil production expansion plan to meet growing demand in Asia and other emerging markets. The kingdom is expected to boost its pumping capacity to a total of 12.5 million barrels per day by 2009, up about 11% from current capacity of ...


Wall Street Journal

This ties in well with the recent quote from Saudia Arabia that they would leave, untapped, new finds for future generations.

Twilight wrote:
Reuters wrote:
Saudi Arabia - RIYADH, April 13 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah said he had ordered some new oil discoveries left untapped to preserve oil wealth in the world's top exporter for future generations, the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.

"I keep no secret from you that when there were some new finds, I told them, 'no, leave it in the ground, with grace from god, our children need it'," King Abdullah said in remarks made late on Saturday, SPA said.

Source: Reuters / Forbes

I'm laughing my ass off.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
seahorse
Expert
Expert


Joined: Oct 15, 2004
Posts: 2256
Location: Arkansas

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Many PO pessimist do not believe the Saudis will ever pump 12 mbpd. However, even if they can, this is far less than the optimist are projecting for the Saudi's to produce over time. So, the news that Saudi Arabia will be stopping production capacity at 12mbpd and will leave other finds untapped for future generations does not help the optimist case, i.e. the Lynch's and CERAs.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
EnergyUnlimited
Fusion
Fusion


Joined: May 15, 2006
Posts: 3385

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Saudis have clearly reached their peak and no amount of investment can increase their production anymore.

They don't want to admit it yet.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dan1195
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 19, 2005
Posts: 277

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is a clear sign that expectations on OPEC meeting further increases in demand are simply not going to pan out, something many here have believed all along. It is more likely the "we don't want to" is code for "we can't".
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
roccman
Peak Oil Prophet


Joined: Apr 27, 2007
Posts: 4351
Location: The Great Sonoran Desert

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Huh...??

Seems a bit odd.

I thought they said they had plenty of oil.

Oh well...TOD, PO.com, and every other person on the planet that has done the reading will be proved right.

Wonder if this means food continues to soar and at some point rationing sets in.

Wonder if this means gas continues to soar and at some point rationing sets in.

Wonder if this means our economic meltdown continues its bone crushing thud.

Wonder if this means because of this credit meltdown unemployment continues to soar.

Wonder if this means we continue to grow food for our cars.

or drill in unstable methane beds...

or start another war at $8000 a minute.

I say all of the above and more will happen...like

Because of rationing and hoarding...the draconian teeth of PAI and II, MCA, JWMRA, Dirrectives 55 and 1955, and the repeal of PC BITE HARD...think KBR detention facilities.

Because of civil unrest and chaos - selections in Nov. are "postponed"...

Because of hyperinflation the Amero is rolled out.

You think this is tin foil...??

KSA TAPPING OUT PRODUCTION WAS TIN FOIL LAST YEAR.
_________________
"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins

"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis

We are going back to roccland - me
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
frankthetank
Fusion
Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004
Posts: 4901
Location: Southwest WI

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy.
_________________
Clothing should be optional.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Homesteader
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 12, 2007
Posts: 1195
Location: Central NC

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hey wait a minute, this cant be true. Didn't that Norwegian oil expert recently say that KSA production was going way, way up by 2030, like doubling or something?

Sorry, looked but couldn't find the article, so working from memory.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vision-master
Fusion
Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 4833
Location: Minneapolis, MN

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

frankthetank wrote:
This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy.


How will TPTB explain THIS?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
roccman
Peak Oil Prophet


Joined: Apr 27, 2007
Posts: 4351
Location: The Great Sonoran Desert

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

vision-master wrote:
frankthetank wrote:
This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy.


How will TPTB explain THIS?


AGW and food shortgages will become THE issue and "powering down" will become THE montra of TPTB.

Google the "Georgia Guidestones"....
_________________
"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins

"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis

We are going back to roccland - me
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
vision-master
Fusion
Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 4833
Location: Minneapolis, MN

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

roccman wrote:
vision-master wrote:
frankthetank wrote:
This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy.


How will TPTB explain THIS?


AGW and food shortgages will become THE issue and "powering down" will become THE montra of TPTB.

Google the "Georgia Guidestones"....


Anthropogenic Global Warming & not PO?

Google the "Georgia Guidestones" - THANKS!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rockdoc123
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude


Joined: May 16, 2005
Posts: 1712

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

the reactions here to this news seem over the top to say the least. The Saudis are not saying they have abandoned the goal of having 12 MMB/day capacity...all of those projects are underway and fully funded. What they are saying is they plan on waiting to see what happens in the market in order to make sure they aren't spending a bunch of money on projects now when they could delay that spending.
I believe that given the current pricing the Saudis are quite happy with the cash flow they get from their 8 or so MMB/day production. Remember they have said all along they were trying to increase spare capacity, not necessarily increased production. They have said publically there is no additional demand for their crude and the OPEC monthly numbers seem to justify that belief. By having the spare capacity they can turn up volumes on the new projects as Ghawar and the older fields are gradually depleted.
As time progresses they might decide to investigate other possibilities but to spend that money now and have it lay fallow for years on end is bad business in anyones book.
Seems like business as usual to me.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AirlinePilot
Moderator
Moderator


Joined: Apr 05, 2005
Posts: 2590
Location: South of Atlanta

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rockdoc123 wrote:
the reactions here to this news seem over the top to say the least. The Saudis are not saying they have abandoned the goal of having 12 MMB/day capacity...all of those projects are underway and fully funded. What they are saying is they plan on waiting to see what happens in the market in order to make sure they aren't spending a bunch of money on projects now when they could delay that spending.


I dont know rockdoc. I would not be "waiting" to spend when it is obviously going to cost significantly more in investment later. Doesn't quite pass the smell test to me.

Seems that more and more as of late Saudi rhetoric is falling in line with the general feeling of peak or that they are in an increasingly difficult struggle to produce.

just my two cents.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thor
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude


Joined: Jun 21, 2005
Posts: 453

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If $117 oil isn't a signal that something is going on with basic supply and demand then what else is there? Hence Saudi Arabia has reached its peak and that'll be the end of it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vision-master
Fusion
Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 4833
Location: Minneapolis, MN

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Quote:
believe that given the current pricing the Saudis are quite happy with the cash flow they get from their 8 or so MMB/day production. Remember they have said all along they were trying to increase spare capacity, not necessarily increased production.


So, are you saying they are trying to mantain production for the next whatever years by having space capacity? Remember, it's all about the flow rates correct.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
joewp
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 05, 2005
Posts: 1658
Location: Springsteen Country (NJ)

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I found the full article here.

I had to laugh. I wanted to find the article just to see what the end to this sentence "from current capacity of".
Quote:

11.3 million barrels a day.


Wow, really!?!?!?! That "current capacity" number seems to jump around a lot, doesn't it?

Just a little more:
Quote:

"All the latest projections, at least up to 2020, do not require anything higher," Saudi oil minister Ali Naimi told Petroleum Argus in an interview. "Unless we see really genuine demand, we have to pause right now and see what happens," he said.


Wow, they live in a dream world, don't they? They don't see demand because it's obvious they don't have the supply.

$200 here we come, sooner than anybody ever expected.
_________________
Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer-friendly version    Peakoil.com Forum Index -> Current Events All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 1 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Atom News FeedRSS 1.0 News FeedRSS 2.0 News FeedRSS Forums Feed