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seahorse Expert


Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2256 Location: Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2009 |
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Saudi Arabia will not be expanding production capacity after 2009 (its target to get to 12.5 mbpd).
| Quote: | Saudi Arabia to Pause Adding New Oil Capacity After 2009
By Spencer Swartz and Natalie Obiko Pearson Dow Jones
ROME -- In another bullish signal to global oil markets, Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, says it has no plans to beef up its oil production capacity beyond the amount it is already pursuing for several years until it gets clearer signs about future crude consumption.
Saudi Arabia is in the midst of a more-than-$50 billion, multiyear oil production expansion plan to meet growing demand in Asia and other emerging markets. The kingdom is expected to boost its pumping capacity to a total of 12.5 million barrels per day by 2009, up about 11% from current capacity of ... |
Wall Street Journal
This ties in well with the recent quote from Saudia Arabia that they would leave, untapped, new finds for future generations.
| Twilight wrote: | | Reuters wrote: | Saudi Arabia - RIYADH, April 13 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah said he had ordered some new oil discoveries left untapped to preserve oil wealth in the world's top exporter for future generations, the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.
"I keep no secret from you that when there were some new finds, I told them, 'no, leave it in the ground, with grace from god, our children need it'," King Abdullah said in remarks made late on Saturday, SPA said. |
Source: Reuters / Forbes
I'm laughing my ass off. |
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seahorse Expert


Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2256 Location: Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| Many PO pessimist do not believe the Saudis will ever pump 12 mbpd. However, even if they can, this is far less than the optimist are projecting for the Saudi's to produce over time. So, the news that Saudi Arabia will be stopping production capacity at 12mbpd and will leave other finds untapped for future generations does not help the optimist case, i.e. the Lynch's and CERAs. |
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EnergyUnlimited Fusion


Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 3385
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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Saudis have clearly reached their peak and no amount of investment can increase their production anymore.
They don't want to admit it yet. |
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Dan1195 Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 19, 2005 Posts: 277
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| This is a clear sign that expectations on OPEC meeting further increases in demand are simply not going to pan out, something many here have believed all along. It is more likely the "we don't want to" is code for "we can't". |
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roccman Peak Oil Prophet

Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4351 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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Huh...??
Seems a bit odd.
I thought they said they had plenty of oil.
Oh well...TOD, PO.com, and every other person on the planet that has done the reading will be proved right.
Wonder if this means food continues to soar and at some point rationing sets in.
Wonder if this means gas continues to soar and at some point rationing sets in.
Wonder if this means our economic meltdown continues its bone crushing thud.
Wonder if this means because of this credit meltdown unemployment continues to soar.
Wonder if this means we continue to grow food for our cars.
or drill in unstable methane beds...
or start another war at $8000 a minute.
I say all of the above and more will happen...like
Because of rationing and hoarding...the draconian teeth of PAI and II, MCA, JWMRA, Dirrectives 55 and 1955, and the repeal of PC BITE HARD...think KBR detention facilities.
Because of civil unrest and chaos - selections in Nov. are "postponed"...
Because of hyperinflation the Amero is rolled out.
You think this is tin foil...??
KSA TAPPING OUT PRODUCTION WAS TIN FOIL LAST YEAR. _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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We are going back to roccland - me |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4901 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy. _________________ Clothing should be optional. |
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Homesteader Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Central NC
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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Hey wait a minute, this cant be true. Didn't that Norwegian oil expert recently say that KSA production was going way, way up by 2030, like doubling or something?
Sorry, looked but couldn't find the article, so working from memory. |
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vision-master Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4829 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| frankthetank wrote: | | This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy. |
How will TPTB explain THIS? |
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roccman Peak Oil Prophet

Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4351 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| vision-master wrote: | | frankthetank wrote: | | This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy. |
How will TPTB explain THIS? |
AGW and food shortgages will become THE issue and "powering down" will become THE montra of TPTB.
Google the "Georgia Guidestones".... _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
We are going back to roccland - me |
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vision-master Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4829 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| roccman wrote: | | vision-master wrote: | | frankthetank wrote: | | This is getting better every day. I'm guessing rationing and price controls at some point. Then get ready for empty shelves and mass unemployment. Negative growth doesn't work well in a growth based economy. |
How will TPTB explain THIS? |
AGW and food shortgages will become THE issue and "powering down" will become THE montra of TPTB.
Google the "Georgia Guidestones".... |
Anthropogenic Global Warming & not PO?
Google the "Georgia Guidestones" - THANKS! |
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rockdoc123 Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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the reactions here to this news seem over the top to say the least. The Saudis are not saying they have abandoned the goal of having 12 MMB/day capacity...all of those projects are underway and fully funded. What they are saying is they plan on waiting to see what happens in the market in order to make sure they aren't spending a bunch of money on projects now when they could delay that spending.
I believe that given the current pricing the Saudis are quite happy with the cash flow they get from their 8 or so MMB/day production. Remember they have said all along they were trying to increase spare capacity, not necessarily increased production. They have said publically there is no additional demand for their crude and the OPEC monthly numbers seem to justify that belief. By having the spare capacity they can turn up volumes on the new projects as Ghawar and the older fields are gradually depleted.
As time progresses they might decide to investigate other possibilities but to spend that money now and have it lay fallow for years on end is bad business in anyones book.
Seems like business as usual to me. |
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AirlinePilot Moderator


Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 2590 Location: South of Atlanta
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| rockdoc123 wrote: | | the reactions here to this news seem over the top to say the least. The Saudis are not saying they have abandoned the goal of having 12 MMB/day capacity...all of those projects are underway and fully funded. What they are saying is they plan on waiting to see what happens in the market in order to make sure they aren't spending a bunch of money on projects now when they could delay that spending. |
I dont know rockdoc. I would not be "waiting" to spend when it is obviously going to cost significantly more in investment later. Doesn't quite pass the smell test to me.
Seems that more and more as of late Saudi rhetoric is falling in line with the general feeling of peak or that they are in an increasingly difficult struggle to produce.
just my two cents. |
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thor Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| If $117 oil isn't a signal that something is going on with basic supply and demand then what else is there? Hence Saudi Arabia has reached its peak and that'll be the end of it. |
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vision-master Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4829 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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| Quote: | | believe that given the current pricing the Saudis are quite happy with the cash flow they get from their 8 or so MMB/day production. Remember they have said all along they were trying to increase spare capacity, not necessarily increased production. |
So, are you saying they are trying to mantain production for the next whatever years by having space capacity? Remember, it's all about the flow rates correct. |
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joewp Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 1658 Location: Springsteen Country (NJ)
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia stopping production expansion plans after 2 |
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I found the full article here.
I had to laugh. I wanted to find the article just to see what the end to this sentence "from current capacity of".
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11.3 million barrels a day. |
Wow, really!?!?!?! That "current capacity" number seems to jump around a lot, doesn't it?
Just a little more:
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"All the latest projections, at least up to 2020, do not require anything higher," Saudi oil minister Ali Naimi told Petroleum Argus in an interview. "Unless we see really genuine demand, we have to pause right now and see what happens," he said.
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Wow, they live in a dream world, don't they? They don't see demand because it's obvious they don't have the supply.
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