| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
ThunderChunky Tar Sands


Joined: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 66
|
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Energy Report |
|
|
| Did they make any suggestions in the report? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
0mar Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Oct 12, 2004 Posts: 1651 Location: Davis, California
|
Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Energy Report |
|
|
| ThunderChunky wrote: | | Did they make any suggestions in the report? |
Pray. _________________ Joseph Stalin
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. " |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Cabrone Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 21, 2006 Posts: 181 Location: London
|
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Energy Report |
|
|
Thanks for posting this very sobering document up. When a body such as the US Army are saying that we may well peak in a few years and then goes on to say that 'oil wars are certainly not out of the question' you have to sit up and take serious note.
Up till now all the PO literature that I have read is from the main authors in this subject, guys who you could argue have a vested interest to exaggerate the real picture but I can't see why the US army would have any such motivation.
I note that this document is not restricted in any way so why isn't the media getting this message getting out to the general populace? There would be some panic but I'd like to think that most people who read it would take note and get serious about their oil guzzling lifestyles. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
MonteQuest Elite


Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 12194 Location: Sedona, Arizona
|
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Energy Report |
|
|
| Cabrone wrote: | | I note that this document is not restricted in any way so why isn't the media getting this message getting out to the general populace? |
Simple. There is no upside to this story. However, Roscoe Bartlett parades it on C-Span every chance he gets. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
Live in Arizona? Check out: http://sustainablearizona.org and read my blog. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
FatherOfTwo Intermediate Crude


Joined: Nov 11, 2004 Posts: 978 Location: Heart of Canada's Oil Country
|
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
Thanks for posting Monte! (I must have missed it the first time around) That one is hard to ignore even for some of the die hard optimists that I know. I like the quote from the executive summary:
| Quote: | | ...the Army must immediately begin to consider the short- and long-term issues involved in developing enduring energy policies and solutions for its military installations. To sustain its mission and ensure its capability to project and support the forces, the Army must insulate itself from the economic and logistical energy-related problems coming in the near to mid future. |
_________________ Do not underestimate the difficulties of surviving the transition of peak oil, nor the dangers of global warming. We must embrace nuclear energy and renewables. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sparky Tar Sands


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 77
|
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
.
Of course the Armed forces will turn against the need of the people ,
It will be a " NATIONAL EMERGENCY " declared from the presidential lectern with congress as a chorus , very dramatic , the speech alone will be probably grand
The hilarious bit will be the unseemly bitch fight between the services for the last dredges of the black stuff ,
Airforce the greediest ,
Army moaning the loudest ,
Navy quietly confident with its nuke powered ships but still asking for the same share ,
the Marines grabbing the president as hostage during the negotiations while the CIA, NSA and FBI dig out dirty secrets on everybody in exchange for a few barrels ...
. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
funzone36 Heavy Crude


Joined: Dec 04, 2005 Posts: 177
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sparky Tar Sands


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 77
|
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
.
What is so strange about it , it's quite reasonable plus or minus a few years ?
I'm not being smart , this is just a question
. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
funzone36 Heavy Crude


Joined: Dec 04, 2005 Posts: 177
|
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
| I thought worldwide peak of natural gas is close to an imminent peak. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
emersonbiggins Moderator


Joined: Jul 10, 2005 Posts: 4278 Location: Dallas
|
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
| funzone36 wrote: | | I thought worldwide peak of natural gas is close to an imminent peak. |
Conventional domestic might be, but not the world, IIRC. Shale gas is going to be a huge play both now, and in the future. _________________ "The people have spoken, the bastards." Mark Twain
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
H.L. Mencken |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
funzone36 Heavy Crude


Joined: Dec 04, 2005 Posts: 177
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
emersonbiggins Moderator


Joined: Jul 10, 2005 Posts: 4278 Location: Dallas
|
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
Thanks for that link, although there's no mention of opportunities in nonconventional NG, though, esp. in light of recent successes with shale gas. I think it's a given that conventional NG is near peak, if not past. _________________ "The people have spoken, the bastards." Mark Twain
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
H.L. Mencken |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
misterno Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 07, 2007 Posts: 104
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
catbox Heavy Crude


Joined: Sep 29, 2005 Posts: 272 Location: EUG
|
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
Great post!.....forwarded it to my Dad who helps keep the city of Eugene running.
catbox _________________ "Come any closer and I'm going to kick you in the head"- Henry Rollins W/ Black Flag in a basement circa 82' Eugene, Oregon. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
funzone36 Heavy Crude


Joined: Dec 04, 2005 Posts: 177
|
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: Re: US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report |
|
|
A major natural gas discovery does not prove that North America haven't reached peak natural gas. That's like saying peak oil haven't been reached because there's a major oil discovery.
| Quote: |
A. I recently submitted an academic article on that with a graduate student in Chicago. We see about 2007 as the peak date for North American natural gas production.
One of the interesting things with natural gas, though, is that the technology is so good that reserves are being depleted much faster. This means the peak may hold out a little longer, maybe even until 2008, then it will be followed by an even sharper fall. |
http://www.energybulletin.net/11789.html
Most importantly.
| Quote: | | The Barnett Shale is known as a "tight" gas reservoir, indicating that the gas is not easily extracted. The shale is very hard, and it was virtually impossible to produce gas in commercial quantities from this formation until recent improvements were made in hydraulic fracturing technology and horizontal drilling, and there was an upturn in the natural gas price. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Shale |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|