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xerces Heavy Crude


Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 388 Location: Manhattan
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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It's been about a month since I started buying most of my food from the farmer's market rather than the organic supermarket. I have noticed some very steep price differentials between the two places that are difficult to write off.
I used to buy the following items at the supermarket, but have switched to the farmer's market:
Organic Whole Milk (1/2 Gallon)
$3.75 => $3.00
Organic Potatoes (1lb)
$1.75 => $1.00
Organic Lettuce (1 head)
$4.00 => $1.00
Organic Onions (1lb)
$3.00 => $1.20
Organic Large Eggs (1 doz)
$4.25 => $2.50
Organic Mushrooms (1/2 lb)
$2.99 => $2.00
Green House grown bananas (4)
$3.00 => $1.00
Pasta (1 lb)
$2.49 => $1.25
The following items I still have to buy regularly from the supermarket since none of them are available in these parts:
Cookies/Chocolate/Sweets (1 pack)
$7.00
Ice Cream (1 quart)
$7.00
Pasta Sauce (3 cans)
$3.00
It's amazing to me that the cost of all locally produced foods necessary to feed me for a week(bought from farmers directly), does not add up to the price of ice cream, cookies, and pasta sauce.
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TreeFarmer Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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The yeild per acre and scalability of organically grown just can't compete with mechanized/chemical using techniques. Therefore, regular, at the farmers market grown with whatever methods is cheaper then organically grown.
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xerces Heavy Crude


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Windmills Heavy Crude

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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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| Your graphic might be a little unclear. Are you saying that it's cheaper for you to buy organic produce at the farmers' market than at a store? |
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Ferretlover Moderator


Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3894 Location: Minniesotuh
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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$7 for a quart of ice cream?? Holy Cow!! _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto |
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Homesteader Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Central NC
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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| TreeFarmer wrote: | The yeild per acre and scalability of organically grown just can't compete with mechanized/chemical using techniques. Therefore, regular, at the farmers market grown with whatever methods is cheaper then organically grown.
TF |
Another opinion:
ScienceDaily (Jul. 14, 2005) — ITHACA, N.Y. -- Organic farming produces the same yields of corn and soybeans as does conventional farming, but uses 30 percent less energy, less water and no pesticides, a review of a 22-year farming trial study concludes.
Link:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/07/050714004407.htm |
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alokin Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 883
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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The prices are low to what we are paying in Australia, at least for organic. (considering that a dollar here is worth much the same there)
It is very easy why the farmers market is cheaper. They are selling their own produce. And every step of further trading costs 30% to 50%. A shop can't exist on a lower rate they have to pay rent personel etc. |
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FrankRichards Heavy Crude


Joined: Oct 11, 2004 Posts: 112
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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| TreeFarmer wrote: | The yeild per acre and scalability of organically grown just can't compete with mechanized/chemical using techniques. Therefore, regular, at the farmers market grown with whatever methods is cheaper then organically grown.
TF |
That is so wrong I don't know where to start.
1. Those farmer's market prices are lower than conventional supermarket prices. Cutting out two middlemen and 1500 miles of shipping.
2. For produce the limiting factor is harvesting labor, which is independent of organic/conventional.
3. Again, for produce, organic yields can exceed not just met conventional.
4. For scalability, see 2. above.
Did Monsanto fix up your bridge nicely? |
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jlw61 Intermediate Crude


Joined: Sep 03, 2007 Posts: 639 Location: Sunny Virginia, USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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| xerces wrote: | | It's amazing to me that the cost of all locally produced foods necessary to feed me for a week(bought from farmers directly), does not add up to the price of ice cream, cookies, and pasta sauce. |
And this is a problem why? I'm growing my own and will be buying whatever else I need from the farmers market... I'll also be buying enough excess to freeze and dry so that I have enough to last me several months after the final harvest. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking |
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xerces Heavy Crude


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blukatzen Moderator


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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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Hi Xerces,
With those prices on pasta sauce, pasta noodles and ice cream, I would be making them myself! Most people don't know how to cook them from scratch, but most of our grandmothers or great-grandmothers knew how to make sauce, noodles, and ice cream..just get a hand crank. I've got an electric and I can make myself fancy or exotic blends, like Peach mango ice cream with walnuts, if I wanted.
Sauce is incredibly easy, especially in the summer when most folks can or freeze thier tomatoes/bumper crop. Get some tomato plants and even if you have to grow them in 5 gal buckets on a balcony or back porch because you are urban, you can do this.
Noodles, just some flour and eggs, and a cutter. If you want fancy noodles, or pasta, just add in spinach, tomato paste, cheese, herb blends into your pasta flour mix. Fresh pasta is good, so try it.
All it takes is some extra time, budget for fresh, it's best all the time, hands down.
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TreeFarmer Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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I found this quote on the article that was linked showing that organic was as good/better than conventional.
"Pimentel noted that although cash crops cannot be grown as frequently over time on organic farms because of the dependence on cultural practices to supply nutrients and control pests and because labor costs average about 15 percent higher in organic farming systems, the higher prices that organic foods command in the marketplace still make the net economic return per acre either equal to or higher than that of conventionally produced crops."
So cash crops can't be grown as frequently. Would that not imply that on the off-years you produce zero (because you are rebuilding your soil) while the conventional farm makes a regular crop?
I'm not sure of the correct interpretation here, so I'm asking.
TF |
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Pops Moderator


Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 7017 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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I'm gonna guess we in America will find our food more expensive in the near future. We might be surprised here in a few of months at the price of pasta, or even the stuff to make our own - look up Durum wheat supply.
It isn't a matter of organic vs conventional, folks.
Look around. _________________ Make a plan and work it: |
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one_more_day Tar Sands


Joined: Aug 27, 2006 Posts: 77
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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| back to the original post...I also find that my farmer's market has lower prices than the grocery store. I believe that the comment about cutting out the middleman is right. It costs less when you are not paying a bunch of undermotivated employees and all the other expenses that grocery stores incur. |
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jdmartin Intermediate Crude


Joined: May 19, 2005 Posts: 812 Location: Merry Ol' USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Food prices not adding up!!!! |
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| Pops wrote: | I'm gonna guess we in America will find our food more expensive in the near future. We might be surprised here in a few of months at the price of pasta, or even the stuff to make our own - look up Durum wheat supply.
It isn't a matter of organic vs conventional, folks.
Look around. |
Uh Oh
OK Pops you're giving me a bug-out moment... _________________ After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off. |
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