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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I learned that a cooler with wheels is a better tool than one would think.

I also learned that evacuating early is a good idea, if you have the luxury of notice.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That FEMA, publicly, demonstrated that they were not Really in existence to help the citizenry, but, indeed, there to protect the government's physical assets.
That, living in a place that was equal to or lower than sea level, there were a Lot of stupid people who weren't prepared for bad weather.
That, living in a place that was equal to or lower than sea level, there are Still a lot of people who did not learn a lesson, and, in the end deserve what they will get when the next big storm hits.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That people will sit on the freeway for hours without moving, rather than get out and walk or ride a bike a few miles inland to safety. Actually I learned that more from Rita than Katrina. So if you have a bike and a backpack with supplies, and a little notice, you're gold.

Also learned how vulnerable the gov't is to communications breakdowns. And that I should always have a hatchet and weapon(s) handy. Lots of things, really.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Corrupt state and local governments are especially poorly suited for disaster assistance.

I think if the same thing had hit Houston it would have been a VERY different story.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I learned several things from that period. My wife's brother is a city cop in Houston. When the Katrina expats arrived there, the crime rate went out the roof. He told of a major furniture store (chain?) owner who came to the Dome where refugees were housed driving a 60 passenger schoolbus. He offered up to 60 people a job, to pay their first month's rent, and buy groceries for them for a week until they got their first check. Stampede, right?

Wrong. He got TWO takers!!!! The rest were content to sit on their collective asses and let the govt feed 'em. Shoulda shot every last one of the lazy SOB's that didn't try to get in line for that.

So. I learned that this group of people at least are lazier and more stupid than I thought possible. I mean, they DID live below sea level.

That situation taught me that any charity should have some sort of strings attached to prove the recipient is worth helping.

Oh yeah, and it made clear that when disaster strikes, don't count on anyone but yourself for help. The govt won't help, and they will prevent anyone else from doing so, at gunpoint, if necessary. I heard those tales, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm a British guy, never been to America or anything but here is what i learned from the mass media.

"George Bush hates black people"

"Mass looting and firefights broke out"

"Zombie hordes and gangs everywhere"

Now heres what I've read online:

"The police and government troops were shooting civilians"

"The police and government troops wouldn't let people out of the area, forcing them at gun point to the super dome(The stadium?)"

"The only thing people looted from private businesses were food/water and medical supply's"

What am i to believe? I would really like it if anyone who was there could write up their experiences in reasonable detail. I've read a number of them online before, but all those were the smart survivalist types who left before the storm hit.(Although i hope everyone here left before it hit too)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? ~ For the first time I was able to view the soft underbelly of the beast... and it was disconcerting.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

#1 Research the topography of the region around your home or prospective home - don't live on a floodplain; let alone below sea level.

#2 Don't rely on others to take care of things you should.

And in the aftermath:

#3 Rely on everything to be the fault of the "Other Party".

#4 If more than one person is at fault, no one is to blame.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

patience wrote:
Shoulda shot every last one of the lazy SOB's that didn't try to get in line for that.


Good to know that about you, patience. Good to know.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pops wrote:
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#2 Don't rely on others to take care of things you should.



That is the #1 thing I learned:


Don't rely on others to take care of you.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Outstanding question.

1. I learned that when experts predict the Big One, it doesn't register with most people. I learned that after twenty years of warnings and 'what ifs' nightmares come true in real life. I was embarassed with myself about how long it took me to move from 'is this really happening' to 'it's finally happened'. I'll always keep a finger in the wind and never allow myself to be shocked from now on.

2. I learned that those with the most risk were the most unprepared. I live in tornado-land and thought I had my bug out bag ready to grab and run down to the basement. After Katrina, I got a little more prepared. Organized the plans when the siren goes off with Mrs. Lupus: She grabs the cat and the wedding pictures and goes downstairs. I grab my Mac Mini, the bug out bag, and the Important Papers file (wedding cert, birth certs, titles to the cars, etc.) If I feel lucky, I come back upstairs for the only two material possessions that I'm fond of: my first Stratocaster (second guitar bought with my own money) and my acoustic (3rd guitar).

3. I learned that anyone who trusts the government to make their lives better are fools.

4. I learned that when the experts say 'run for it' it's usually best. Anyone with a backpack could have found themselves in a better place by hiking 4 miles per hour for a day.

5. I learned that the distance between the most powerful first world country can collapse into the jungle in only two days.

6. I learned that the toughness has been bred out of us. I read of the Blitz and Londoners living in the tube and wonder who today has the stones for it?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I learned to trust my instincts.

For years I had thought that New Orleans was a death trap waiting for the right hurricane. I was demonstrated correct. This, along with some other events that confirmed my instincts have led me to trust myself more.

Trusting those instincts is what has moved me from thinking that peak oil might be a problem to preparing because it will be a problem; a very nasty and unpredictable problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

wisconsin_cur wrote:
I learned to trust my instincts.

For years I had thought that New Orleans was a death trap waiting for the right hurricane. I was demonstrated correct. This, along with some other events that confirmed my instincts have led me to trust myself more.

Trusting those instincts is what has moved me from thinking that peak oil might be a problem to preparing because it will be a problem; a very nasty and unpredictable problem.


Some of you may remember a piece on NPR in about 2003 or so that described what a disaster a big hurricane hitting New Orleans would be. The story made it sound like it was just a matter of time, which was true.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

BigTex wrote:
wisconsin_cur wrote:
I learned to trust my instincts.

For years I had thought that New Orleans was a death trap waiting for the right hurricane. I was demonstrated correct. This, along with some other events that confirmed my instincts have led me to trust myself more.

Trusting those instincts is what has moved me from thinking that peak oil might be a problem to preparing because it will be a problem; a very nasty and unpredictable problem.


Some of you may remember a piece on NPR in about 2003 or so that described what a disaster a big hurricane hitting New Orleans would be. The story made it sound like it was just a matter of time, which was true.


I think my. "OMG... WTF" moment was somewhere around 1994. I had probably read about the Galveston flood, remembered some of the first hand accounts from family about their visits to New Orleans in the 70's and 80's and started to put two and two together.
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