I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
SJN, was that the fault of the vendor? Did they put diesel in the petrol pumps? If so we had the same thing happen here at Costco - My Subaru didn't like it...
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now!
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
gnm wrote:
SJN, was that the fault of the vendor? Did they put diesel in the petrol pumps? If so we had the same thing happen here at Costco - My Subaru didn't like it...
It was her fault. Forgot which car she was driving probably. Fortunately it occurred to me before she started the engine when she mentioned it cost more than she expected!
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Jack wrote:
wisconsin_cur wrote:
People will steal from a faceless box store rather quickly, but how long until they attack a defended home?
I live in Texas - and Texans have lots of guns of every sort. It is, then, likely that any home can be defended with deadly force.
We have home invasions, regularly reported on the evening news, presently. Right now, today, at the peak.
So the answer to your question of "how long" is simplicity itself: ZERO
Yeah, I can speak for experience on that one...I've had my house broken into, had my wallet stolen and the perp make off into the night while I was *in another part of the house watching TV*...yes...this really did happen!
A lot of you think that your houses will be assailed by machine gun-toting gangs...it doesn't work that way. A thief will come under cover of darkness, find that one weak point of the house, or watching long enough see you slip out the back for a breath of fresh air, or whatever, and then they make their move. In and back out again in prolly less than 30 seconds. And believe me, the perp is going to have their gun cocked and ready to shoot as opposed to the victim having to make a mad scramble to get to their gun, click off the safety and attempt to bring down the perp before he makes his escape. Jack, you might be able to do that, but you're not exactly typical either...LOL. In my case, ignorance was the most blissful thing in the world, although I got a good "tutorial" from the Sheriff's deputy on how to set up a decent home defense system...hehe. "It's a war out there, and you just have to be ready." And this was in 2004, way, way before the great calamity we've yet to experience.
So yeah, I know what it's like to be "home-invaded", and I know it's impossible to feel safe 100% of the time...it just can't be done, not in my world at least. _________________ Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide...
...and the meek shall inherit the Earth!
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Jack wrote:
wisconsin_cur wrote:
People will steal from a faceless box store rather quickly, but how long until they attack a defended home?
I live in Texas - and Texans have lots of guns of every sort. It is, then, likely that any home can be defended with deadly force.
We have home invasions, regularly reported on the evening news, presently. Right now, today, at the peak.
So the answer to your question of "how long" is simplicity itself: ZERO
I heard of a study, I haven't seen it personally, comparing home invasions in Britian (where there are few personal guns) and the USA. In the USA home invasions typically happen when either people or not home or the invader thinks that no one is home because they are afraid of getting shot.
In the UK they typically happen when people are home because the invaders are not afraid of getting shot and want to be able to get people's personal effects, watches jewelry etc and make sure that someone can open the safe if there is one.
The point of the study is that all Americans (liberal included) benefit from the high gun ownership in the USA and that liberal gun control policies do not take this into account.
So I would ask, on those news reports, are people typically home when the home invasions occur? _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
Joined: Sep 08, 2005 Posts: 764 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
RonMN wrote:
Does anybody find this article as disturbing as I do?
Quote:
Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil
[url=http://www2.nysun.com/article/74994 ]Full Story [/url]
I guess I just didn't expect this here so soon.
<edit> huh? I can't get the link to work correctly (?) the story is on the from page of PO-dot-com
Yeah, I read that story. Guess it's time to head on down to the store and load up before they do that sort of thing around here.
But in cases like this, it's easy to get around the so-called "one bag limit". Just bring a family member or friend and each get one and use a different cashier, head out to the car, go back in and the two of you get another bag each, making sure to switch cashiers the second time. That's four bags right there, 100% failsafe method. Then go on to different stores and repeat as needed.
Truth be told, I'll be doing what I have been for months...just get a bit more than what I actually consume each week, and build up stock over time...a bit less stressful that way, as well as not being so harsh on the wallet. _________________ Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide...
...and the meek shall inherit the Earth!
Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
I think that by definition, yes, the people are at home, otherwise it's not a home invasion, it's just burglary. In the typical home invasion, the perpetrator would knock on the door or ring the bell, pretending to be a utility repairman or neighbor, someone the homeowner wouldn't suspect of wrongdoing. When the homeowner opens the door, the perp or perps draw their guns, enter the home and tie everybody up, find out where the goods are, take everything and leave. I read about one case where the perp actually took one of the family members to the bank to withdraw cash. It's one of the fastest-growing crimes in America, though it's still relatively rare compared with burglary. _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Byron100 wrote:
I know it's impossible to feel safe 100% of the time...it just can't be done, not in my world at least.
I feel safe virtually 100% of the time (except when experiencing paranoia), but then, I don't live in town....
(used to live in the city, got robbed, didn't feel safe) _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Joined: Mar 18, 2005 Posts: 2690 Location: Minnesota
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Byron Wrote: just get a bit more than what I actually consume each week, and build up stock over time...a bit less stressful that way, as well as not being so harsh on the wallet.
I do the same thing...but nobody I know does this...wait until they can only get a limited number of McNuggets...I know a few who'll keel over & die right there on the spot. _________________ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
Specop_007 wrote:
Absolutely. It will be a self fulfilling prophecy. people hear of a shortage so rush out to buy what they will need, thereby creating a shortage.
+1
I remember going into Wal-Mart on New Years eve 1999 for .30-.30 rounds and seeing bare spots where the 9mm and .45 ammo use to be. Then I went over to the grocery section for pancake mix and seeing waves of shopping carts load up on bottled water and beans.
To a degree, perception does dictates reality. _________________ Hair in my eyes like a highland steer, spring in my step like a white tailed deer. Hitch in my hip like an old sheep dog, puff up my chest like a big bull frog.-Corb Lund
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In my case, ignorance was the most blissful thing in the world, although I got a good "tutorial" from the Sheriff's deputy on how to set up a decent home defense system...hehe. "It's a war out there, and you just have to be ready." And this was in 2004, way, way before the great calamity we've yet to experience.
