Joined: Jul 04, 2007 Posts: 1989 Location: The U.S.S.A
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
jlw61 wrote:
Specop_007 wrote:
Interesting. I've been unable to confirm it, all I am able to find is references on other forums which all link back to the same news article.
That news article is unavailable.......Tinfoil?? Dunno.....
...At a Costco Warehouse in Mountain View, Calif., yesterday, shoppers grew
frustrated and occasionally uttered expletives as they searched in vain
for the large sacks of rice they usually buy.
If such things are happening, its due to logistical problems and nothing else. My first twitch though is to call BS on this article. I see nothing and have heard nothing to confirm this. It flies in the face of logic because there has been no indication to date such an event is looming for the US. Nobody has discussed it being harder to obtain food imports (more costly, yes, harder, no).
However, in the event that if/when there this becomes a supply issue, I have two things to say:
1) Excuse me, you sit there and figure out what to do, I'll be back in a few days.
2) It's been nice knowing y'all, 'cause I'm outta here!
crap, if this is this the case, it is time to pull everything out of saving and start hordeing and bugging out.
But, isn't the New York Sun a Rag Paper?
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Joined: Mar 09, 2006 Posts: 470 Location: Al-Mariyya, Al-Andalus
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Just caught up with this thread, shame it's veered off ...
Anybody else notice the correlation between the countries on those graphs a few pages back, on poverty levels and food imports and the undoubted FACT that ALL are under the rules of the IMF and World Bank governing what they can grow, what they can export, how much they can sell it for etc.etc.
I expected the story about retailers limiting basic ingredients to gain a few more doomer comments. Maybe it's because it's published by the NY Sun ...? Anyway, here's something of interest/pertinence to the original thread subject:
Raj Patel: There are two kinds of stories that we can tell about the food prices. One is an economic story, and that's a story about a perfect storm of poor harvests and a demand for meat in developing countries, which is diverting grain, and the high price of oil, which is driving up food -- farm inputs, and at the same time, the biofuels boom, the process of growing fuels in order -- sorry, growing food in order to burn it rather than eat it. All of these are economic factors that are driving up the price of food.
But at the same time, there's a political story here, and it's a longer-term political story about how countries have been forced to abandon their support for farmers and to abandon things like grain supplies and grain stores. And this is a longer-term story, and it involves organizations like the World Bank and the World Trade Organization that have a fairly iron control over the economies of most of the poorest countries in the world. And what the World Bank and what the WTO and, to some extent, the International Monetary Fund have done is force these countries to tie their hands behind their back, effectively, and to bind them very firmly to an international economy in food.
And then there's this:
Quote:
GM Crops Reduces Productivity
In other food news, a new study by the University of Kansas has found that genetic modification reduces the productivity of crops. The Independent of London reports the study undermines repeated claims that a switch to the controversial technology is needed to solve the growing world food crisis. Researchers found that genetically modified soya produces about ten percent less food than its conventional equivalent.
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
jasonraymondson wrote:
But, isn't the New York Sun a Rag Paper?
I dont know. Hence "Unconfirmed" in my title.
I would like to get it confirmed or denied though. I'm half tempted to call some of the Costco's in the area and ask if they have limits on purchase amounts. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
yesplease said:
Quote:
High livestock productivity according to your links.
I think that you are having trouble reading the link? The fly's effect in Africia is devastating. Herd loses often run 50%. Human loses are also very high.
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6497 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
The same was mentioned on AgDay a couple weeks ago so I Googled it and found several stories in mainstream local papers. I posted them in the food thread I think.
Durham wheat is going to be about gone by the time this years crop comes in - your pasta is gonna get expensive...
Here are a couple things to look at I posted a while ago
Some charts.
Joined: Sep 03, 2007 Posts: 614 Location: Sunny Virginia, USA
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
Specop_007 wrote:
jasonraymondson wrote:
But, isn't the New York Sun a Rag Paper?
I dont know. Hence "Unconfirmed" in my title.
I would like to get it confirmed or denied though. I'm half tempted to call some of the Costco's in the area and ask if they have limits on purchase amounts.
Great idea! I just called. I first talked to a person who said "It's not just the Mountain View area" and then quickly said "But you didn't hear that from me" and switched me over to a manager. I then talked to a manager at the Mt View Costco. It is confirmed that there was a run on rice and they put limits on number of bags. She refused to say anything else and then sounded quite pained and asked me to contact the regional office.
So CONFIRMED, Costco did limit the number of bags of rice people could buy.
Also confirmed, my local grocery store is selling orange juice at $1 with a limit of two per customer.
A) We had somebody in the news say something stupid and created a run on rice.
B) Costco had a sale and everyone wanted a bunch.
C) There is a supply sudden supply problem we are currently unaware of.
D) The Dark Overlords have made a move that caused a panic in the Mountain View area.
I'm opting for A or B.
I bought a 25 lb bag of gourmet rice last weekend and paid $14. That's about $3 higher than last fall. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4343 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
Pops wrote:
The same was mentioned on AgDay a couple weeks ago so I Googled it and found several stories in mainstream local papers. I posted them in the food thread I think.
Durham wheat is going to be about gone by the time this years crop comes in - your pasta is gonna get expensive...
Here are a couple things to look at I posted a while ago
Some charts.
This stuff has been out there a while people - Oowolf mentioned this months ago and I did the same.
I kinda think we do way to much playing and not enough practicing around here.
yeah pops - my first post here at po was max out credit card and buy food only to be ridiculed.
those who did not heed the warnings...want some salt with that 750 FICO.
enjoy the dieoff!!! _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3584 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
Melting glaciers will trigger food shortages
20 March 2008 NewScientist.com news service Debora MacKenzie
The irrigation water vital for the grain crops that feed China and India is at risk of drying up, as global warming melts the glaciers that feed Asia's biggest rivers.
"The world has never faced such a predictably massive threat to food production as that posed by the melting mountain glaciers of Asia," says Lester Brown of the Earth Policy Institute. …
"And this is where we used to have a river..."
Malaysia plans new 'rice bowl' policy amid fears of food shortages
1 day ago KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysia's prime minister has announced plans to increase food security by growing rice on a massive scale in a state on Borneo island amid fears of shortages caused by the global food crisis. The US$1.29 billion allocated for the plan will also be used to increase cultivation of fruits and vegetables, Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi announced.
food security
Why Are There Food Shortages In the Developing World?
Where do we start?
Food Shortages - The silent tsunami
economist.com — A wave of food-price inflation is moving through the world, leaving riots and shaken governments in its wake. For the first time in 30 years, food protests are erupting in many places at once. Bangladesh is in turmoil; even China is worried. …
For decades, this produced low world prices and disincentives to poor farmers. Now, the opposite is happening. As a result of yet another government distortion—this time subsidies to biofuels in the rich world—prices have gone through the roof. Governments have further exaggerated the problem by imposing export quotas and trade restrictions, raising prices again. In the past, the main argument for liberalising farming was that it would raise food prices and boost returns to farmers. Now that prices have massively overshot, the argument stands for the opposite reason: liberalisation would reduce prices, while leaving farmers with a decent living. …
He who controls...
How Far is the US from Food Shortages and Food Riots? by Monica Davis
Even the United States is not immune from the potential for food shortages, food riots and food insecurity. We’re just blind to the possibility. …
Experts say the high prices will continue for years, putting billions of people at risk for malnutrition or starvation. World leaders continue to cast fearful eyes at the burgeoning bio-fuels industry, noting that the competition generated by the industrial biofuels industry and food agriculture is pushing up food prices and making it more profitable to grow fuel crops for industrialized countries than it is for big farmers in Third World countries to grow food for their own citizens.
What has put many world leaders on notice is the fact that this artificially generated food crisis has not yet peaked. As of this writing, no one knows when the situation will reach a crescendo, or to what extent this demand will affect food security and political stability in the world.
Many believe that the food crisis is in its infancy and they worry about increasing food-based political instability worldwide. …
It can't happen here-yeah, right _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
shortonoil wrote:
yesplease said:
Quote:
High livestock productivity according to your links.
I think that you are having trouble reading the link? The fly's effect in Africia is devastating. Herd loses often run 50%. Human loses are also very high.
Food is not just livestock. Africa can be a region of high food production, regardless of whether or not they are an area of high livestock production, because the tsetse fly only influences some food from livestock, not food from plants. In other words, while the tsetse fly can limit what they produce in terms of livestock for food, it can not, as you have stated, limit what they can produce in terms of plants for food.
P.S. Fixed it for ya.
shortonoil wrote:
Because of this little monster, Africa will never become a region of high livestock production.
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