Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: South American Defense Council
A South American defense council to mediate regional conflicts and defend South America from foreign intervention could be concretized this year, the Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said after meeting with President Hugo Chavez in Caracas Monday.
“We are going to make it so that the strength of South America is born of the union of our peoples,” the minister told the press Monday evening.
“It is impossible to talk about problems in isolated form; we should resolve the problems in conjunction and in unity," Jobim articulated, assuring that any problem affecting one South American country affects the whole region.
Although regional military integration had been discussed in the past, the topic was recharged by Brazilian President Luiz Inacio “Lula” da Silva during the diplomatic crisis sparked by Colombian military incursions into Ecuadorian territory in March.
Jobim and Chavez decided to put the topic on the agenda of the summit of UNASUR, a South American integration organization, scheduled for May 23rd. In the meantime, Jobim will confer with every South American president. If the presidents decide at the summit decide to move forward on the council, Jobim intends to hold a general “ascertainment” meeting within four months, and then "it is a reality that by the end of this year it could be constituted," he proclaimed Monday.
The defense council would promote joint military trainings and defense bases, and “military industrial integration” in order to “ensure the supply of the necessary elements for defense,” the minister clarified.
“Dissuasive defense” would be the aim, he continued, adding that it is important for countries to acquire arms and maintain their militaries “in order to have and to project a capacity for dissuasion.”
An organized defense is important in order to repel external interference.
The minister made clear that "there is no possibility of participation by the United States because the council is South American and the U.S. is not in South America,” and said he already met with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to firmly establish this.
He made special mention of the fact that “we have no obligation to ask for a license from the United States to do this," and emphasized that the council could help South America “acquire a very strong presence in the concert of world relations."
President Chavez pledged enthusiastic support for the council as well as several other regional integration efforts that stretch beyond South America.
“From Mexico to Argentina, we are one whole nation,” Chavez proclaimed Sunday at a demonstration in Caracas to commemorate the six year anniversary of the U.S.-backed two-day coup against his presidency.
In January 2008, Chavez and Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega proposed a joint military force with Bolivia, Cuba, and Dominica, which are all members of the fair trade initiative called the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (ALBA). Shortly after this, Lula announced Brazil would move forward on a “Regional Block of Military Power” that would be managed by the defense council that Jobim and Chavez discussed in Caracas Monday.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
In other News, Cid Yama, a wellknown peakoil advocate, died of apparent heart attack at his home. The cause of death was determined to be from acute lack of sleep caused by an obssessive habit of posting news stories nonstop for many days to the PeakOil.Com message board. These news stories selectively covered events on the world stage that seemed to give the singular impression that US policy was setting the stage for its collapse or the outbreak of wars. His selection of stories cheered for any figure or state actor that was successful in impeding the goals of the US or Israel. News stories that brought to light the questionable actions of his favored rogue's gallery, however, were ignored, unless they were spun in such a way as to place ultimate blame on the US or Israel.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
Yada Yada Yada. Really crushes your illusions to learn the TPTB in the US are not the Good Guys, doesn't it mos.
I have provided a preponderance of evidence to demonstrate a consistent modus operandi. You have provided nothing but trollish bs in response.
Who do you think the South Americans feel they need to prepare a “Dissuasive defense” against?
Feel free to continue to live in your fantasy world.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry _________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
We should start to have a few accidental airplane crashes in the next months around SA.
TPTB in the US and a few other select places that rule the world are terrible... the essence of EVIL.
TPTB in the rest of the world is EVIL and INCOMPETENT and thats why their not the former.
So go ahead and cheer on the rise of the socialistic union of Latin America, but in the next 15 years after their people are ravaged by war, famine and plague you might see that preserving parts of the status quo is better of everyone.
When the peoples of Islam do the same... you'll remember why they are in the position they are, like their oppressed Latin American friends.
But the main course will be China, where you will see what will happen when the rising dragon wakes up and starts shitting everywhere.
You will then wish those people remained the backwards servile states they have been for hundreds of years.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
Cid_Yama wrote:
Yada Yada Yada. Really crushes your illusions to learn the TPTB in the US are not the Good Guys, doesn't it mos.
The problem with you is that you see the world in black and white terms.
The TPTB have not cornered the market on evil. The flaws in the human condition which lead to injustice are alive and well everywhere in varying degrees all over the globe. You have tunnel vision and only see the evil you want to see. You pass out moral indulgences to bad actors who have their share of blood on their hands on the basis that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. To you, there is only ONE source of evil in this world, the US (or by extension, Israel). And if we only get rid of that cancer, then we'll have this magic utopia of 3rd worlders who will just sit around the campfire, join hands, and sing all day (in Spanish, Farsi, or Arabic I guess).
Just remember when the barbarians stormed the gates and Rome fell, europe gained independence in the form of the Dark Ages. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. In fact it's probably going to be stained with blood that may include your own.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
You are wrong. TPTB are multinational. Nowhere have I said the US or Israel are evil.
My sole purpose is to point out the corruption and deceit perpetrated by TPTB, the indoctrination imposed on the American people who are being used and abused by TPTB, the fleecing of the world, and the terrible deaths worldwide as a result of the machinations of TPTB.
If anything in the world is Evil, it is the active concentration of wealth, sucking the life and goodness out of the world and destroying it.
TPTB are the "Eye of Sauron". Most of the people of the G7 nations, as the result of Western Media indoctrination and the destruction of public education, haven't got the intellectual tools, knowledge, or perspective to break the spell that is making them the minions of TPTB.
My eyes are open and I fight the good fight. What about you, troll? Tired of being a minion of Sauron? _________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
Quote:
If anything in the world is Evil, it is the active concentration of wealth, sucking the life and goodness out of the world and destroying it.
Now, that is something I can agree with. However, you must see that the majority of the power and wealth of TPTB is concentrated in the hands of the elites residing in the richest nations on Earth, the West + Japan, or as some call it, G7, and their rich friends that are overlords in the 3rd world.
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
Quote:
Yup, one whole nation, without a single nuclear weapon. Defense?
I think Latin America is making itself un-invadable by conventional means.
The last time the US intefered against a democratic people in Latin America was was in 2002, with the coup against Chavez, and it failed. People knew what was going on, the old propaganda didn't work.
The people of Latin America have had a taste of freedom in the last decade, and they will not willingly go back to being oppressed.
The modern world does not seem to tolerate overt warfare. Insurgencies know the asymmetrical tactics that make war politically and economically impossible for America. The media- saturated world in which we exist is bound to drum up support against naked aggression in much of the world.
These are all results of the increased lines of communications of modern life, one of technologies actual blessings.
This problem for the modern imperialist is multiplied several times by Latin America's regional integration. It was previously possible to pick a nation off one at a time. But if you risk pissing off a whole continent, it doesn't become a worthwhile endevour.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
Cid_Yama wrote:
You are wrong. TPTB are multinational.
Then why don't any of your links throw any moral indignation towards anyone other than the US and Israel?
Most of your links come across as cheerleading bad crap that befalls the US and Israel, or fear-mongering over potential outbreak of war, whether instigated by the US and Israel, or by other powers as some valiant rebellion against "imperial hubris" or some other loaded terminology.
Cid_Yama wrote:
My eyes are open and I fight the good fight. What about you, troll? Tired of being a minion of Sauron?
I'm a Tolkien fan as much as anyone else, but "the eye of Sauron" is too vague an enemy for me to be concerned with.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: South American Defense Council
35Kas wrote:
Quote:
If anything in the world is Evil, it is the active concentration of wealth, sucking the life and goodness out of the world and destroying it.
Now, that is something I can agree with. However, you must see that the majority of the power and wealth of TPTB is concentrated in the hands of the elites residing in the richest nations on Earth, the West + Japan, or as some call it, G7, and their rich friends that are overlords in the 3rd world.
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