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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: Ffood rationing in America Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

how long does PO forum exist?
And for how long you have stored your food now?
How long have you prepared for PO?

And has the things / food price really changed that much recently?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Zensui:
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So those this means that international trade organizations are provoking that "the poors are priced out of the equation in the food market"? This, if true, is sick and pathetic.


It is indeed sick and also true.

Guardian UK

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April 15, 2008 8:30 AM | Printable version
For anyone who understands the current food crisis, it is hard to listen to the head of the World Bank, Robert Zoellick, without gagging. 

Earlier this week, Zoellick waxed apocalyptic about the consequences of the global surge in prices, arguing that free trade had become a humanitarian necessity, to ensure that poor people had enough to eat. The current wave of food riots has already claimed the prime minister of Haiti, and there have been protests around the world, from Mexico, to Egypt, to India.

The reason for the price rise is perfect storm of high oil prices, an increasing demand for meat in developing countries, poor harvests, population growth, financial speculation and biofuels. But prices have fluctuated before. The reason we're seeing such misery as a result of this particular spike has everything to do with Zoellick and his friends.


A lot of people look at these facts, and those written about by Stiglitz, a Nobel winner and also ex-employee of the World Bank, and gag. Then they start thinking: "how can this be allowed to happen?" Then: "They must know what they're doing ..." and if they know what they're doing, then they must be doing this on purpose and then people start subscribing to those 'conspiracy theories' which posit that the world is run by a global elite out to enslave 2/3 of mankind for their own personal gain and control.

And then you see world leaders saying things like:
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(Merkel- Germany): "inadequate agricultural policies in developing countries" as well as "insufficient forecasts of changes in nutritional habits" in emerging markets.


(Who implemented these inadequate agricultural policies Fraulein? You and your mates in the G7)

And (Gordon Brown- UK)
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“Rising food prices threaten to roll back progress we have made in recent years on development. For the first time in decades, the number of people facing hunger is growing.”
Which just reinforces the desired impression that the third world is where all our problems come from.
Then you have to ask yourself, where do these world leaders keep their head?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wonder if this will induce any hoarding:

American Facing Food Rationing?; Carter Doing More Harm than Good in Middle East; What`s Real Price of Oil?
GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the global food crisis is growing. We`re feeling here it in the breadbasket as retailers actually begin to limit purchases on stable items. Is there a growing fear that food rationing might not be too far behind? You`re beginning to feel the crunch. And we`ll at least admit it. …
"Buy some food and store it"
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pops wrote:

Strider, this is not a case of hoarding. Unless you subscribe to one of the newspapers I and others have linked you probably have not heard about such outside of PO.com.

WRONG!
Pops, this morning one of the leading italian newspaper ran the story.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Twilight wrote:
Specop_007 wrote:
threadbear wrote:
Everyone talking about putting in a garden, where I live.

In my entire subdivision theres all of 2 gardens that I know of. Shocked

That is going to be a problem for them.


And a bigger problem for me. Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I can't stand Glen Beck, but I caught part of his show last night and he and his guest were doing the right thing and absolutely trashing corn ethanol. They were pointing to it as the reason for the current grain shortage.

Glen also has been pointing how close we are to a depression and how bad the financial situation really is.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Eli wrote:
I can't stand Glen Beck, but I caught part of his show last night and he and his guest were doing the right thing and absolutely trashing corn ethanol. They were pointing to it as the reason for the current grain shortage.
Glen also has been pointing how close we are to a depression and how bad the financial situation really is.


I don't care for him or the way he presents things either; I was channel surfing, and heard food rationing, so I watched.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have to say he is better than Bill O'Riley , man Bill is such a pompous ass, he is the champion of the simpletons. I think Bill is still advocating gasoline boycotts, the Jackass.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Food rationing in America Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Here's a ruff translation of that article...

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the America forced to the rationing
Ruff computer translation: http://tinyurl.com/63tgrf

From the rich East North to the West Coast the contraction of the
offer and the prices to stars push the great distribution to limit the
sale of flour, rice and oil

“Because of the reduced availability, we are forced to limit the rice
sale”: the desolating warning, written on a trust to great
characters, hangs in the store over semiempty shelves.

A scene for a long time of war or from underdeveloped nation, but
the theatre is tutt’other: to be confronted with the rationing it is the
rich America, granary of the world hour to taken with an alimentary
crisis that it sees l’offered of kinds the first necessity to contrarsi
and prices to the consumer to fly.

The trust makes extension of himself in department store of the
chain Costco Wholesale to Mountain View, in California, but the
rationing has touched l’entire West Coast and the richer areas of
the East North, from the New England to New York: to being
subordinates to sale limitations they are also the flour and l’oil, but
between the shelves of the Californian store it is above all of the
rice that feels the lack, inasmuch as the customers are composed
above all from immigrate to you asiati to us. “Dov’is the rice?”,
smarrito question Yajun Liu, engineer of interviewed High Pole from
the New York Sun, “All would have to be able to buy one simple
what like the rice. And’ ridicule”: on the shelves they are remained,
in place of the customary bags from 20 chili, large packages less of
the half, but with a price that grazes the 16 dollars. In the smaller
storees, classics minimarket of quarter, the cost exceeds also the
30 dollars for bags from 10 chili and l’order is the same one: a
single package for customer, because the supplyes are reduced all’bone.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: World food shortages/rationing (was Japan) Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Japan is out of butter.

News

Interesting, Japan is not a third world country, not yet!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: More food shortages, Japan is out of butter Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

beat me to it SH!!

Yeah - isn't japan a first worlder?

"Oh - it would never happen in America"...

Yeah right.

The illusion is powerful...

500 MPH into a brick wall.

Hey - what's on TV tonight...who's playing this weekend...can't wait for my lipo...ain't life grand?

Shun the non-believer - Shunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wall Street Journal thinks you should load up the pantry. Interesting to see a business and financial publication play with such ideas......

Article

Load Up the Pantry
April 21, 2008 6:47 p.m.
I don't want to alarm anybody, but maybe it's time for Americans to start stockpiling food.

No, this is not a drill.

You've seen the TV footage of food riots in parts of the developing world. Yes, they're a long way away from the U.S. But most foodstuffs operate in a global market. When the cost of wheat soars in Asia, it will do the same here.

Reality: Food prices are already rising here much faster than the returns you are likely to get from keeping your money in a bank or money-market fund. And there are very good reasons to believe prices on the shelves are about to start rising a lot faster.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Eli wrote:
I can't stand Glen Beck, but I caught part of his show last night and he and his guest were doing the right thing and absolutely trashing corn ethanol. They were pointing to it as the reason for the current grain shortage.

Glen also has been pointing how close we are to a depression and how bad the financial situation really is.


You have to admit its a fantastic circle.

The oil countries have us bent over a barrel. We can return the favor and bend them over the counter in the grocery store.

Personally I'm all for energy independence through bio fuels. I would rather have high priced food and be free of Middle East oil then be a slave to Middle East oil and have cheap food.

Of course the dark side of that is a whole hell of a lot of people may very well starve.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: More food shortages, Japan is out of butter Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I was talking to Mum last night - she is 89. I mentioned the comming food shortages. She said we had them in the 30's.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: More food shortages, Japan is out of butter Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

vision-master wrote:
I was talking to Mum last night - she is 89. I mentioned the comming food shortages. She said we had them in the 30's.


They also had gardens and cheap energy in the 30s.
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