Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
Spec I agree about being free of the Middle East. But the way we get there is draconian cut backs in fuel usage and massive gasoline taxes going to build a new infrastructures.
We need to build railroads like mad and move all truck shipping back to railroads and hub systems. Barges are also the way to move goods in the future. Every city needs a hub where large quantities of goods are stored long term. Warehouses need to be filled with those things vital to daily life.
The just in time system is headed for a collapse and it is going magnify the shortages.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Food rationing in America
There are lots of things I never thought I would see when I was young. Airports where you pay lots of money to fly somewhere and then when you get to the airport they treat you like a criminal - TSA agents feeling for wires in underwire bras, having people take out nipple rings, machines that look through your clothes and you paid for this treatment. The Patriot Act taking liberties away from citizens. I had to sign for a WWII bayonet yesterday that was delivered. I get gun parts and ammo all the time and never have to sign but for that horrible dangerous weapon I had to sign. They probably should have you sign for ammo since it is so expensive. But our UPS guy just leaves it on the path. Oh well. And I remember when people freaked out about gas hitting .... 1.00 a gallon. Now gas is 3.50 a gallon and milk is 4.00 a gallon. Food has skyrocketed in the last 6 months. Small can of mushrooms last month was .39 cents now it is 1.19. Cheap hamburger is 3.99 a pound. Papertowels were 8.99 three months ago and now are 11.97. And yet the paycheck has not risen to match the this.
So price is one of the reasons I stock up on stuff. If its on sale I get a case. Another reason is that we don't know what the leader of our great country is ging to do. I never thought he would do half of the things he has done. He could attack Iran or Syria or anywhere else. If he does ... watch prices go up faster. I've cut back to only essential trips into towns now. If gas goes up more then I want to have enough food stocked up to make it so I have to make fewer trips into town. Then buy in bulk when I do go.
Also we live a state that has rotten weather. We get snow. We get rain and with the rain we get power outages. We need supplies when that happens. We have two toddlers and I want them to be comfortable and not to worry or fear when things happen. Being prepared and knowing that you can make dinner for the next week out of what you have on hand is not stupid .... it's wise. When the brown outs rolled through California or the black out hit the east coast I bet those people wish they had a few extra flashlights, water and some food they enjoy on hand.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Food rationing in America
steam_cannon wrote:
“Dov’is the rice?”,
smarrito question Yajun Liu, engineer of interviewed High Pole from
the New York Sun, “All would have to be able to buy one simple
what like the rice. And’ ridicule”: on the shelves they are remained,
in place of the customary bags from 20 chili, large packages less of
the half, but with a price that grazes the 16 dollars.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
Right. Trains, barges, ships, and as few trucks as we can get by with, for short haul only, rail depot to warehouse or store.
I'd like to see what could be done with coal fired steam turbine locomotives. Somebody (Baldwin?) had a steam turbine going just as diesels took over, but lost the advertising war to diesels. The old recip steam engines were a mechanical nightmare to keep running, and ther turbine was said to be much more efficient. My idea here is to get the trains away from diesel, of course.
I want to see light rail passenger trains, and bring back the short lines that serviced medium sized cities for passengers and frieght. Turn some excess big-box stores into warehouses to reverse the Just-In-Time bullshit so we can live with 3 to 7 day rail service, instead of overnight truck service for deliveries. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed food rationing in America
Pops wrote:
jlw61 wrote:
Actually this is nothing to get upset about, but it is something to watch. What about the time Johnny Carson said there was going to be a toilet paper shortage in California... guess what Californians did?
I won't be all that concerned until it starts happening in other locations on an ongoing basis and for something other than just rice. Now if rice, flour, and beans started to disappear on a regular basis in several parts of the country for extended periods of time, THEN it's time to pull out the leathers.
I agree, don't read any of the links provided unless they come from the local broadcast and don't plan beyond the next TV Guide.
When the shelves get bare is surely the time to stock up a little.
Makes sense to me.
Pops, there is a medication available for what ails you:
_________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
Ferretlover wrote:
Wonder if this will induce any hoarding:
American Facing Food Rationing?; Carter Doing More Harm than Good in Middle East; What`s Real Price of Oil?
GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the global food crisis is growing. We`re feeling here it in the breadbasket as retailers actually begin to limit purchases on stable items. Is there a growing fear that food rationing might not be too far behind? You`re beginning to feel the crunch. And we`ll at least admit it. …
"Buy some food and store it"
Glenn Beck always struck me as a quasi-wanna-be-Rush-Limbaugh (but not quite as far right). I'm not sure, when he speaks, how much to take seriously and how much to throw out as hype.
Sometimes I hear things that sound like they might be pretty accurate, but then, I hear something directly following it that makes me wonder if it is all just a lot of bombast and sensationalism.
Could it cause hoarding? Maybe a little, but not on the scale you would see if one of the Good Morning America said it or Wolf Blitzer.
The sad thing is, Glenn Beck's topic is good--someone needs to talk about it--but the message gets muddled with the ranting.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Re: More food shortages, Japan is out of butter
I see the news keeps getting better by the day. _________________ Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose but has everything left to gain.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Re: More food shortages, Japan is out of butter
The silver lining to food shortages now showing up in developed countries is that this has to mean we are very close to peak global population. I, for one, am thrilled that peak population is imminent, especially after watching the documentary 'Sharkwater' last weekend, and seeing the utter devastation we are causing to shark populations, not to mention all of the other population induced environmental catastrophes.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: Re: More food shortages, Japan is out of butter
auscanman wrote:
The silver lining to food shortages now showing up in developed countries is that this has to mean we are very close to peak global population. I, for one, am thrilled that peak population is imminent, especially after watching the documentary 'Sharkwater' last weekend, and seeing the utter devastation we are causing to shark populations, not to mention all of the other population induced environmental catastrophes.
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Food rationing in America
Pretorian wrote:
steam_cannon wrote:
“Dov’is the rice?”,
smarrito question Yajun Liu, engineer of interviewed High Pole from
the New York Sun, “All would have to be able to buy one simple
what like the rice. And’ ridicule”: on the shelves they are remained,
in place of the customary bags from 20 chili, large packages less of
the half, but with a price that grazes the 16 dollars.
Sweet Lord! I guess we are in trouble then.
Well, I didn't say it was a good translation!
Quote:
In the smaller storees, classics minimarket of quarter, the cost
exceeds also the 30 dollars for bags from 10 chili and l’order is the
same one: a single package for customer, because the supplyes are
reduced all’bone.
Joined: Dec 28, 2005 Posts: 299 Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: More food shortages, Japan is out of butter
vision-master wrote:
auscanman wrote:
The silver lining to food shortages now showing up in developed countries is that this has to mean we are very close to peak global population. I, for one, am thrilled that peak population is imminent, especially after watching the documentary 'Sharkwater' last weekend, and seeing the utter devastation we are causing to shark populations, not to mention all of the other population induced environmental catastrophes.
as I set here watching the big screen. Thrilled?
Well, I'm certainly not unhappy at this prospect. The story behind each individual case of death by starvation/disease is sad, but as Stalin said "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic".
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
Yes Patience exactly and make it happen over night, the cut backs should be swift and as severe as possible without literally killing people. The solutions would take a long time but cutting everything back could happen fast.
Pretty much abandon the current over the road model and most all of the current highway infrastructure and put all that money to trains and more sustainable infrastructure. We can't keep up with stuff we have now and need to build things that are longer lasting.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread
As I said in an earlier post, things are getting tough here in the US. No need to look at poor shitty countries like Haiti to see hunger. There is plenty of it here.
Check out this story that I caught on NPR yesterday about the state of US food banks. The crap is hitting the fan much quicker than I could have expected. I need to go out and get some food and maybe invest in a firearm or two.
Global food shortages and a faltering U.S. economy are hurting food banks. Leaders in the food bank community are finding creative ways to cope. Two food-bank organizers discuss their approach to the problem.
_________________ Simon's Law: Everything put together falls apart sooner or later.
I don't think of all the misery, but of all the beauty that still remains.--Anne Frank
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