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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: Entitlement mentality dies hard - New Orleans Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

cube wrote:
big_rc wrote:
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What is going on in NO is the city has basically shipped its lowlife population to other US cities (esp. Houston) and basically telling them to stay there and not offering any help to relocate back. If you were a homeowner in NO, there is a TON of money available for you to come back and rebuild your home in the exact same area but if you were a poor public housing resident, there is nothing. So what the local government is saying is in effect that the middle and upper middle classes can come back but the poor are somebody else's problem. That is why the anger you are seeing in NO is some extreme because almost all of these poor people from NO have multi-generational roots in NO and many would love to come back.
Not to sound insensitive but you really can't blame the government. I mean if you were running a city who would you rather let in:
1) poor people
2) rich/ middle class people
I've made up my mind already. Furthermore it wouldn't surprise me if a bunch of local building contractors are "greasing the palms" of city government to build expensive housing.


You are absolutely correct. There is no doubt in my mind that the whole system is corrupt and there is masive greasing of palms going on. After all this is Louisiana and corruption is a way of life down here.

After thinking about this further and Naomi Klein's piece, I would not be surprised if we see more examples of this in the future. For example, if the feds bail out the big banks during this whole mortgage mess, I would expect to see a bunch of super pissed people who might react somewhat violently and met with equal resistance from the government apparatus. The more I think about this, the more I see government helping big business get its way while pissing on the "regular" people, the less hopeful I get about a peaceful solution when peak oil become truly apparent to everyone. NO is just the first truly blatant example of this century but I think there will be many more to come.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Nations come together in N.O. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

U.S. joins Canada, Mexico for summit
Monday, April 21, 2008 By David Hammer
U.S., Canadian and Mexican flags adorn downtown New Orleans hotels this morning in anticipation of three heads of state arriving for the fourth annual North American Leaders' Summit.
President Bush is expected to arrive on Air Force One at Louis Armstrong International Airport late in the morning, followed by Mexican President Felipe Calderon and then Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Canadian officials said last week that Harper's plane will arrive about 11 a.m. ...
NAU proceeds as planned
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: Nations come together in N.O. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Look on the bright side, civilisation may collapse before the new world order is fully here...

Interesting part of the article:

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The visit wraps up Tuesday afternoon in Lafayette Square with a tree-planting ceremony in honor of Earth Day, which all three leaders are expected to attend.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Nations come together in N.O. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My tinfoil sense is tingling...

Possible topics at the summit:

1. Amero
2. Amero
3. Amero
4. Amero
5. Real ID
6. NASCO/Trans-Texas Corridor
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Nations come together in N.O. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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President George W. Bush will soon host what has become an annual “Three Amigos Summit.” The leaders of Mexico, the United States, and Canada will be gathering in New Orleans on April 21 and 22. What do you suppose is on the agenda? A rational response to immigration, perhaps? A thoughtful renegotiation of the unpopular North American Free Trade Agreement? Lessons from Canada’s affordable medicines program?

No. No. And no. Rather than putting their heads together around pressing issues such as these, the three leaders will be advancing a so-called Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). And while that may sound well and good, this initiative, begun in 2005, is unlikely to produce either security or prosperity. That’s because the partnership is only with big business.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Nations come together in N.O. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Where's Katrina when you need her?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: Nations come together in N.O. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

These three make me sick. Harper getting cornholed by Bush, while Calderon provides the fellatio...
Three Nero's fiddling while Rome burns.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: Entitlement mentality dies hard - New Orleans Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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...BTW I'd like to live in New Orleans for 1 year before it slides off into the ocean. The French quarter seems so pretty, like a postcard picture of Europe.


I'm in Austin (since 2000) and lived in New Orleans for the first 18 years of my life. It was a wonderful city to grow-up in, and part of my heart tells me to go back.. but my head is telling me to stay the hell away.

Now, I'm looking for a few acres up north. Amite? McComb? Who knows..
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: Entitlement mentality dies hard - New Orleans Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Denny wrote:
The residents seem to have little incentive to keep their apartments in good condition. Instead you see sloth and neglect. I notice that everywhere with public housing. I think it just creates an escape hatch mentality.


For me this begs the question, why have we evolved a system that, by its very nature, requires that there will even BE people who cannot own their own homes? If the problem is lack of ownership, as you're suggesting here (lack of ownership = no stake in property = no house pride = deterioration), then it would seem to me the obvious solution would be one that sees even the most underprivileged person able to "own" such a property, even if the mortgage payments were paltry. Anyone who feels he or she has invested whatever they've managed to earn in a place is going to have a different outlook concerning it. But we persist in a system that says only those who come from backgrounds privileged enough to have good educations and the best of society's jobs are worthy of property ownership. That it is in the state's interests to see that the rest don't die in our streets, but not to provide them with a means of having a stake in society. Why have we allowed such a system to arise? Why do we suffer it to continue? If a government can assist with the rent on a unit, why can't it assist with the mortgage payments on that very same unit instead? In the end, what is the difference, except the betterment of our communities and the chance for the underprivileged to acquire something upon which to build?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Entitlement mentality dies hard - New Orleans Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Arkwright wrote:
Fascism is such a useless term these days. So many definitions for it and no-one usually says what meaning they are using. Some I know people have used:

fascism is
a) attitude of people who wants sticter control over society
b) marxist definition: supporters of ruling class who engage in violence are fascist
c) general leftist term to slander whoever thinks differently
d) the historical Italian movement
e) economical arragement where goverment rules for the benefit of big corporations
f) everyone on the loser side of ww2
g) members of police and those who symphatise with them

And now this is new one for me.
h) share our wealth movement as fascism


Fascism is all of those things.

Go read the history of great American fascists like Huey P. Long and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

I was raised in Louisiana. National Socialism made Louisiana the wonderful place it is today. In the past I was employed by both the corporations and public entities that worked hand-in-hand to make it that way.

The toxic pollution I've waded through and seen inspectors paid off to ignore would break your heart.

"Share the wealth". Ha! More like "Use the force of government to rip off taxpayers and hand the loot to private corporations and corrupt state agencies"; a.k.a fascism.
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