Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
It would've been nice to hear the Shell Stategist mention what the former Shell Geologist said about Peak Oil. But he does use the term "easily accessible convential oil." Later on he discusses the "scramble" outcome and the "blueprint" outcome. The scramble outcome is just another way of saying resource wars (ala Klare). Heinberg's protocols came to mind when they discussed "blueprint" outcome.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
The mainstream media blame it on everything BUT peak oil.
- Lack of production investment
- Lack of exploration
- War and Polictical Problems
- Refinary fires and maintanence
- High government taxes
- Collapsing dollar
- Credit Crunch
- Housing Market Collapse
You can hear almost every excuse, be it partially right, or totally wrong, but no-one ever mentions the two words PO. Not on headline news atleast.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
I also think that so many things are happening so quickly, and they all are stemming from PO...whether it's airlines going down due to fuel costs, to the whole biofuel/world hunger issues (which was such a hairbrained scheme...it just seemed stupid to me from the getgo to use food for fuel...someone (poor) was bound to get kicked in the stomach with that kind of decision making!), to the truckers and their strikes, to seeing $4 per gallon in the us, to food costs here rising daily, to $120 per barrel blasted from the news daily (or the next record). So many stories all relating to oil and it's got to be talked about some way...blabbing on about how the next technology or the next oil find will save us starts to sound really shallow after a while. These issues are just now really affecting us all and they have to start the discussion.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
I've talked with a few people in my travels about PO. They seems to be in the dark about it. Others think it will not be any big deal for decades. I think media is still hiding it from the public for the most part. Every great once in while I hear about PO in passing in the media.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
s0cks wrote:
The mainstream media blame it on everything BUT peak oil.
- Lack of production investment
- Lack of exploration
- War and Polictical Problems
- Refinary fires and maintanence
- High government taxes
- Collapsing dollar
- Credit Crunch
- Housing Market Collapse
You can hear almost every excuse, be it partially right, or totally wrong, but no-one ever mentions the two words PO. Not on headline news atleast.
Yes, I concur. PO is too big to talk about in mainstream media...too controversial. Same as 'No God' theory.
If the PO news got out it would raise hell with the Dow and all our retirement funds!
Matt Savinar may not have been exactly right when he said "oil is our god" in the movie Crude Awakening - our real god is CONSUMPTION.
We consume our planet whether it be animal, mineral or even its environment.
In the movie Matt Savinar said he would probably not vote for a president that would adopt strong peak oil measures, giving an example of cutting back on auto production which in turn would cut back on Americas GNP.
So if someone in the know cannot stomach what needs to be done how on earth could an everyday Joe or Jane do it?
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
kokoda wrote:
The main stream media still ignore it. I am yet to see the words "Peak Oil" appear in the headlines of any major newspaper and magazine.
The reason behind oil price rises are never fully explained in news bulletins.
If anything it seems that there is a conspiracy of silence.
We are seeing some coverage from non - mainstream sources but I fear for as long as the rich control the media we are never going to get the whole truth about PO. They have too much to lose.
Last October I wrote to 19 of the largest newspapers in the US and a half dozen news and business magazines, Sixty Minutes TV and a few international media venues about PO.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
Well cashmere, it's not just you, but according to this, just about everybody is aware:
Quote:
A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll finds that majorities in 15 of 16 nations surveyed around the world think that oil is running out and governments should make a major effort to find new sources of energy. Most think that future oil prices will be much higher.
Only 22 percent on average believe that "enough new oil will be found so that it can remain a primary source of energy for the foreseeable future." Only in Nigeria does a majority (53%) endorse the view that governments can rely on oil in the long term.
Instead, an average of 70 percent takes the position that governments should assume that "oil is running out and it is necessary to make a major effort to replace oil as a primary source of energy." The largest majorities endorsing this view are found in South Korea (97%), France (91%), Mexico (83%) and China (80%). The smallest are in Russia (53%) and India (54%), while in Nigeria only a minority (45%) holds this view.
"The widespread consensus that oil needs to be replaced as an energy source may be prompted by concerns about the effect of oil on climate change as well as the belief that oil will run out," said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org.
In 12 of the 16 nations, the dominant view among those polled is that their governments assume oil is running out and needs to be replaced. This is especially true in South Korea (79%), China (70%), and Egypt (67%). In Iran, which is developing a controversial nuclear energy program, 63 percent say that oil must be replaced while only 12 percent--the lowest percentage among the countries polled--say their government assumes enough oil can be found.
Interestingly in four of the five countries that are net oil exporters the perception that their government is planning for oil running out is below the average of 53 percent. These include Azerbaijan (31%), Nigeria (32%), Russia (34%), and Mexico (49%). The exception is Iran which is well above the average, with 63 percent believing that that their government is planning for oil running out.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
Another reason the press hides PO from the mainstream is that of a mass panic.
Lets face it PO is depressing stuff. When I found out about PO last year I was sick for a week. Same with my wife and she still hides her head in the sand about it.
If the predictions of PO comes to fruition America as we know it is finished.
So, besides worrying about tanking the Dow, the media and gov don't want to get America into a doomsday mentality.
Politicians and PO remind me of Clinton back in the day when everyone called for him to leave the office due to his lies and sex scandal. He wasn't going anywhere unless they came to drag him away. Now look at him...he may be back at the white house!
Same with the powers in change. They aren't going to say thing until there is a national emergency when PO makes it debut to the common man. And even then PO will no doubt get spinned into the blame game on anything other than PO.
I guess they (politicians) are keeping their fingers crossed we will someday find way to burn water or air...so why be pessimistic with PO doom and gloom. Maybe if they do not talk about PO it will just go away...just like all of Clinton's detractors vanished into thin air.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
kpeavey wrote:
Drudge is Peak Oil aware, has been for some time. Rather than come out of the closet as a doomer, he simply adds links to his site.
Peak Oil is not a theory, it is a projection. One which is coming to fruition. At this point, the effects are presenting on a global scale and can no longer be hidden. While the MSM continues to report on the effects in the form of crises worldwide, they have yet to put 2 and 2 together. If the MSM were to report to the world in a manner that the common man could understand, and to a wide enough audience such that it can not be missed, there would be mass hysteria: food hoarding, panic, fuel hoarding, weapons purchasing, hostility, upheaval in the stock and commodity markets, civil disorder, runs on the banks. It is better that the sheeple be left in the dark lest it all come tumbling down.
While there is still time and the economy is still functioning, use it to prepare.
Yes, good reminder to get to work....Semper Paratus!
We should be glad that PO is not mainstream. The panic that would ensue would put a damper on our own preparedness efforts.
No one knows the exact peak date for world oil production, but we do know that time will come in the not so distant future. But finding the peak is not hard problem once we can look back on it by a few years....but we need some time to do it...again, only time will settle this debate
The fact that 'we have to estimate' reserves or useful life of anything says that the item in question does not have an infinite supply or life span.
Now with the useful life of the sun, the end is so far off few give it any thought...except the astro brainiacs.
Even though this was written a few years ago and it is based on 'current production and consumption' and is biassed from the coal producers point of view, it gives the same haunting message to the generations to come.
We may not see the end of our free flowing energy as we know it - but some of our descendants will in the not so distant future. This is the legacy they will inherit from us.
Now when decisions have to be made mistakes can and will happen. This is the nature of imperfect humans. But we still must give it an honest effort at finding truth the best we can if we wish to be at peace with the subject.
I never argue with persons claiming that we have peaked already or others that cliam the peak is 20 years away. To me they are both on the same page, just looking at different sentences.
But the person that thinks that we can go on forever and ever and never have to pay the bill with the eventual depletion of fossil fuels is just plain wrong.
"If the public does think briefly about future oil supplies, the question usually asked is, "How long will oil last?" This is the wrong question. Oil will be extracted in some insignificant quantity perhaps 200 years from now. The critical question is: When does the peak of world oil production occur?" ~ Richard C. Duncan
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
I believe so. But very slowly.
People that seem to stumble upon PO learn of it through reading about the increase of consumption in China and India. They realize that these news articles stating that "worldwide demand is high but those crazy Arabs are just being greedy" doesn't really add up and they delve deeper.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
s0cks wrote:
The mainstream media blame it on everything BUT peak oil.
- Lack of production investment
- Lack of exploration
- War and Polictical Problems
- Refinary fires and maintanence
- High government taxes
- Collapsing dollar
- Credit Crunch
- Housing Market Collapse
You can hear almost every excuse, be it partially right, or totally wrong, but no-one ever mentions the two words PO. Not on headline news atleast.
Concerning excuses that are 'totally' wrong, I just heard on CSPAN from a Republican member of the House of Representatives that it is really:
"The Pelosi Factor" that is causing all this havoc with oil prices. Simply put, just the fear that the Democrats would DO something and, maybe, STOP giving away government money -- tax breaks -- to the already wealthy individuals and profitable corporations -- has the capitalists of the world in fear, and hence the uncertainty factor is causing this unprecedented rise in oil prices and hardship to the average American.
Quite incredible, but if you were a Republican, what else would you go on? Well, nevermind, as I only meant to complete the list and not sidetrack into politics. ''
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?
I've noticed a gradual ramping up of mentions of PO since about 2005. I'm sure there were mentions before that; 2005 is when *I* began paying attention to media acknowledgement of PO..
But, what I notice most are just that: mentions.
there's very little bare-knuckle discussion about what Peak Oil means to the average jamoke, let alone the definition of "peak oil."
some folks I've talked to about this online dismiss it as a chicken little theory that the oil will run out over night.
they don't embrace that a resource doesn't have to "run out" for serious consequences to happen.
And, since there is no actual "running out" of oil at some set time on the calendar, it's easy for them to dismiss..
plus, how many robots out there worship at rush limbaugh's feet; he blows hard about how liberals are really responsible for your high pump prices. Blaming other petroleum users is WAY easier than thinking.
people are always hearing things about resource depletion, environmental failure, but as long as they don't spit up blood and can gas their SUV, all's well and that's all they want to know.
by the time the average american begins to grasp "peak oil" the way a thinking adult should, it'll be too late.
THEN they'll start freaking out, and hoping for a saviour to end the madness.
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