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kublikhan Intermediate Crude


Joined: Nov 06, 2007 Posts: 623 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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Traffic in the US fell 1.4% in 2007 and 7.5% in 2008(through March). This contrasts with the average of at least 2% growth in traffic for the last 20 years.
Also, SUV sales are down 27%, pickups down 14%. Auto's overall were down 8%.
Public transportation hit an all time high in 2007.
It seems some lifestyle changes for the better are finally starting to happen in the US.
Not Guzzling Quiet So Much _________________ The oil barrel is half-full. |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4279 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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Usage is still up, just not climbing as quickly. Whatever happens i'm sure China/India/whoever will pick up the slack. When people have no jobs/money, they won't need to drive at all.
Game over. _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07 |
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joeltrout Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Sep 19, 2007 Posts: 1090 Location: Land of the Tongva tribe
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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I am happy to say I am part of the reduction in consumption.
Thankfully our offices moved out of downtown LA which was a 1 hour plus commute on the freeway from my house.
Now our office is 4 miles from my house and only a 15 min commute on surface streets. If I had to I could easily bike to work. I am just too lazy right now.
If possible, I encourage everyone to live close to work.
joeltrout _________________ ENERGY is the basis of our industrial civilization and sustains our standard of living. It is the foundation stone of our national wealth. A nation starved of energy.....will be a nation of starving people. |
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MD Community Manager

Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 3277 Location: at the convention
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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Bottom is still a very long way off.
Pray for a gentle slope. _________________ "Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events."
Robert A. Heinlein
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kublikhan Intermediate Crude


Joined: Nov 06, 2007 Posts: 623 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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| frankthetank wrote: | Usage is still up, just not climbing as quickly.
Game over. | Global usage is up, but US usage is down:
| Quote: | For the first quarter, U.S. oil demand fell 1.4 percent from a year earlier, marking the third quarter in a row with year-to-year declines in oil consumption, the API said.
Petroleum product imports declined 21.4 percent to 2.786 million bpd, their lowest level since April 2004, the API said. |
Oil Demand Down _________________ The oil barrel is half-full. |
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Tyler_JC Moderator


Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4419 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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Does this surprise anyone?
People respond to prices. $3.50 gasoline makes people a bit more inclined to conserve.
Just wait till we see the big 5 at the gas stations.
I expect to see fewer SUVs and a lot more compact cars this summer. They recently built a brand new Smart Car dealership a few miles away.
People aren't going to sit in their driveways and starve to death. They'll ditch the gas guzzler and switch into something a little more economical. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse." |
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SILENTTODD Intermediate Crude


Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tustin, CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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In the last 2 months I've noticed a significant drop in traffic Saturday afternoons on 91 Freeway out of Orange County California to Riverside, which is one of the most congested highways in Southern California.
For about the last 8 years, traffic on Saturday afternoon was as bad as the Monday thru Friday commuter traffic (I live 2miles from work, I don't do that). Now it's almost like it was about 12 years ago, traffic flowing at highway speeds and noticeably less cars. Friends at work say the drive has been much easier in the last several months.
I believe this is being caused by the sharp down turn in the economy and the equally sharp upturn in the gas prices. Premium gas (Super) in Orange County is already over $4 a gallon with the other grades closing in fast. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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Tanada Expert


Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 3441 Location: West shore Lake Eire, MI, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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L I had a good laugh on the way home tonight, my local Speedway was slow to catch on when everyone else spiked prices yesterday. Tonight they had the higher price to match the nearsest stations but the pumps were bagged because they ran out of gas! _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov |
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GoghGoner Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 10, 2008 Posts: 278
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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| Quote: | | Gasoline demand in March increased by 115,000 bpd, or 1.2 percent, to 9.284 million bpd, despite record pump prices. |
That's from the same article linked above. Just because imports of oil are down does not mean that usage is down. |
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Eli Fusion


Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3765 Location: In a van down by the river
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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| And we burned a quarter of our corn crop in our gas tanks last year and are planing to burn a third of it next year, we're Fark. |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4279 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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Come on... We are doomed. The head story on MSNBC right now is limiting of rice at Costco and Sams Club. Come on doomers... this is the crap we been talking about for years. ITS HERE
I haven't noticed ANY change in traffic patterns here in southwest WI. Maybe more people are driving less miles. The population continues to grow. _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07 |
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kublikhan Intermediate Crude


Joined: Nov 06, 2007 Posts: 623 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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| GoghGoner wrote: | | Quote: | | Gasoline demand in March increased by 115,000 bpd, or 1.2 percent, to 9.284 million bpd, despite record pump prices. |
That's from the same article linked above. Just because imports of oil are down does not mean that usage is down. | And you conveniently left out the explanation for that: early easter/spring break and more ethanol blended gasoline. Ethanol blended gasoline has around a 5% deficiency in MPG compared to MTBE blended gasoline(I don't even want to get into the discussion of how ethanol evaporates faster than gasoline). So even if the driving usage was exactly the same, we would expect to see at least a 5% increase in gasoline just from the switch from MTBE blend to ethanol blend. Also, I detest looking at small data sets like 1 month of data. It is more meaningful to look at data sets as large as possible. That way you don't have to worry about factoring in what day easter falls on this year and other minutia. _________________ The oil barrel is half-full. |
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Peepers Heavy Crude


Joined: Jan 01, 2005 Posts: 209
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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| I've certainly noticed some changes in traffic... The trains here in Cleveland are much busier, and we didn't have a very busy rail system to begin with. Even during midday and evening hours, the trains are pretty busy with more passengers, and so are the buses. The station in my neighborhood, at West 117th, had a dozen people waiting on the platform at 9 p.m. tonight when usually there's only 2 or 3 people waiting at that time. It's an upside to the SHTF. |
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dohboi Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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| Every day, I walk or bike over one of the busiest sections of interstate highway in the upper midwest (94 near downtown Minneapolis) and I can't notice any decrease--its always near or at standstill at rush hour, and faster usually at other times. |
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MattSavinar Elite


Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 1990
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Re: US traffic falls 7.5% in 2008 |
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| joeltrout wrote: | I am happy to say I am part of the reduction in consumption.
Thankfully our offices moved out of downtown LA which was a 1 hour plus commute on the freeway from my house.
Now our office is 4 miles from my house and only a 15 min commute on surface streets. If I had to I could easily bike to work. I am just too lazy right now.
If possible, I encourage everyone to live close to work.
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I can't help but laugh when somebody says 4 miles and 15 minutes by car is "close." Try walking it bubba! That will give you a much better appreciation of what life in L.A. will be like when the oil deliveries get intermittant. _________________ http://www.peakoil.org |
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