Peak Everything Else

timbo · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Peak Everything Else

Opening this thread as a collection point for links and statistics on other resources that are reaching peak for example Helium.

http://www.energybulletin.net/34563.html
http://stickweld.com/interesting-stuff/peak-helium-and-the-welding-industry/

To the moderator. We may already have a thread on this but I couldn't find it with a quick search.

joeltrout · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Everything Else

Run on Rice

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steam_cannon · Expert Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 2334 Location: MA

Helium makes a great metaphor for oil prices.
Sometimes what goes up, doesn't come back down. Sad

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cube · Fusion Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 3067

No peak yet but the price of lead is going through the roof. You don't hear about it too much because it's not as sexy as oil or rice. The nice thing about food shortages is you can post pictures of poor people in distress so it helps to sell a lot of newspapers. The mainstream media LOVES sensationalism, they thrive on it.

What's the main use for lead?
You've guessed it--->batteries for vehicles.
The most widespread example would probably be a car's lead acid battery.

Some people argue that the future is in EV cars. The EV1 car had a 1,310 pound lead-acid battery pack. I don't think there's enough lead to go around for all of us. Cool

35Kas · Tar Sands Joined: Feb 04, 2008 Posts: 47

I don't think enough of us will be driving EV cars for scarcity of materials to become a problem.

People tend to assume everyone in the planet will have/need/want/be-able-to-have a car. What percentage of people on the planet today own a car?

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catbox · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Everything Else

I think even if the entire planet lived like the average peasant in Bangladesh we'd be causing quite an environmental problem. There are just too many of us.[/quote]

And you just don't hear that in the "mainstream...."
Too many people, the system was bound to snap at some point.

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SpringCreekFarm · Intermediate Crude Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 812

This is out of context of what you meant cube...but...

hironegro · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 08, 2008 Posts: 265

I don't think you should conflate a concept like peak-oil with reality of resource depletion.

phaster · Heavy Crude Joined: Jul 15, 2007 Posts: 127

IHMO "Peak" also applies to the following human traits: greed, pride, ignorance and fear! Address these four basic human conditions failings, and it would be possible for the human race to use human ingenuity, logic and reason to find work arounds for problems like peak oil, etc...

MrBill · Expert Joined: Sep 15, 2005 Posts: 4986 Location: Eurasia

Without greed, pride, ignorance and fear we could probably solve many manmade problems. Where's the fun in that? ; - ))
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BrazilianPO · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Peak Everything Else

At the end the problem is not contained to Peak Oil, or Peak Energy. It is really peak everything.

This picture is just amazing and gives a clear idea of the limits of the planet in terms of resources.

The only solution I see for us is to find "free energy" somehow, and even then, we would have to climb the mountains of nanotechnology to create new materials to replace what we can not extract from earth. Replace steel, wood and cement, by something else synthetic, made from dirt or thin air, which will require monstrous amounts of energy to make; but if energy is free, it is free. Technology saving us again... Rolling Eyes

A Star Trek Shangri-la scenario.

So, basically, there is no solution. We will reach stagnation soon and eventually decline. The crash will be hard, at least in most countries - for some it will be worse, for some better. Africa will be a goner. Zimbabwe in a continental scale - massive depopulation. And the rest? Have no idea, but there is an obvious clue. Whoever is priced out first, will suffer first and whoever has resources will survive longer. It will be ugly.
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