How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Will deer eat tomato or string bean plants before fruiti
Ludi wrote:
joeltrout wrote:
Lions also attack people on bicycles, joggers, and people walking their dog.
In mountain lion territory.
People out here call that suburbia.
joeltrout _________________ ENERGY is the basis of our industrial civilization and sustains our standard of living. It is the foundation stone of our national wealth. A nation starved of energy.....will be a nation of starving people.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Will deer eat tomato or string bean plants before fruiti
joeltrout wrote:
People out here call that suburbia.
Yep, well, the lions were there first.
I used to go backpacking (alone) in the Angeles Forest, with the bears and lions. Felt perfectly safe. Safer than back in town. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Will deer eat tomato or string bean plants before fruiti
Ludi wrote:
joeltrout wrote:
People out here call that suburbia.
Yep, well, the lions were there first.
I agree 100% and expect more problems with wildlife as homeowners seek more rural and "uninhabited" areas.
joeltrout _________________ ENERGY is the basis of our industrial civilization and sustains our standard of living. It is the foundation stone of our national wealth. A nation starved of energy.....will be a nation of starving people.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 11854 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Will deer eat tomato or string bean plants before fruiti
My personal expectation is for people to cluster in the cities, not to move out to remote regions because the skillsets for "pioneering" simply don't exist except in the tiny minority of folks and without cheap energy it is extremely difficult to live in remote areas. I expect large areas to revert to "wilderness" eventually as people give up extensive farming and exurban living. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Will deer eat tomato or string bean plants before fruiti
I use a combination of my daughter's old (human smelling) tennis shoes placed around the edge of the garden, a really smelly spray that I got at the nursery, and aluminum pie pans hung on the trellises throughout the garden. The deer don't come around very much, and Pops, I had the same sort of experience with my pepper plants last year...they ate a few inches down, then the next month, there were 100s of peppers on really just 9 plants. I fried a bunch up in small containers and froze, and we're still eating them!
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Will deer eat tomato or string bean plants before fruiti
Ludi,
Slow answering-busy time. Yes, people eat a lot of deer here. In fact, I think the hunters told me last fall they could get tags for up to 6 or so, mostly does. Farmers here can legally kill deer that are "committing depradations" on their farm, as many as they can shoot. Some 20 years ago one guy got 12 or 13 in one herd of 30 or so, with help doing the shooting. Most of that went into freezers, too. This area has perfect conditions for them. Lots of forested hills beside flat creek bottoms with corn, soybeans, and water in the creek.
All the wannabe hunters come out each fall and spend weeks being uncomfortable in the woods from daylight till noon, and might get one in 2 weeks. The locals know where they are, and when, so it takes about 15 to 30 minutes for the average farmer to get a deer.
The state manages hunting fairly well, but the deer are out of control at the moment. No problem with our garden, but that is probably because we have a big dog who patrols our one acre, and marks the edges. He's serious about that, and the deer know it. That's all it takes for us. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Re: Will deer eat tomato or string bean plants before fruiti
Seems to me if you have a problem with deer eating your crops repeatedly, you might do better with hunting than with planting. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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