Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12542 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
In many states hunting "varmints" is legal year-round. Check your states hunting regs if you actually care. Trapping "varmints" is usually legal in town. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4451 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
The great thing about living in this area is the amount of wild game. Lots of whitetail (i think WI is #1 or 2 in US for deer), lots of turkeys, squirrels, rabbits, grouse are up and down, some pheasants and plenty of fish. My thinking is to go after whitetail, but once everyone else catches on, then it'll be game over. When people start hunting out of season, without tags, deer populations will fall quickly. Look what they did in the past to wild game. Fish will be harder to deplete especially without fuel to get out to where they are.
Vision-
Get yourself a floatplane, prep it for one flight and then when the zombies start roaming, take off for Canada. I've gone fishing up Sioux Lookout on a flyin trip when i was younger...AWESOME. I've never seen a sky so dark and an area so wild. Fishing was amazing... I miss that. _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
yeah, in case of a fast crash I get to spend most of my ammo and loose all of my opportunity for sleep, knocking off deer that want to get a bite of my pole beans.
That is the zombie hoard I have to contemplate. _________________ Nature is complete because it does not serve itself.
The sage places himself after and finds himself before,
Ignores his desire and finds himself content.
He is complete because he does not serve himself. -Lao Tze
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4309 Location: Graceland
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
wisconsin_cur wrote:
yeah, in case of a fast crash I get to spend most of my ammo and loose all of my opportunity for sleep, knocking off deer that want to get a bite of my pole beans.
That is the zombie hoard I have to contemplate.
No need to lose sleep.
Just dig a tiger pit encircling your garden and hit the sack.
Or you could get a few of these military spec deer traps:
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4451 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Wait until wave after wave of school buses full of Chicagoans get sent to Trempealeau and Buffalo county for Obama/Clinton's new plan to feed the masses! I'm sure the ghettos of Minneapolis could be there even faster _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07
Joined: Mar 18, 2005 Posts: 2627 Location: Minnesota
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
I must concur with Caveman...
Quote: many people will starve before they eat squirrels now, back then, they would eat their shoes before they would starve.
If it ain't in cellophane...they say EEEWWWW!
Then throw in the fact that nobody (that I know of) in the neighborhood owns a gun or a trap...None have ever mentioned any knowledge of foraging for eadible plants & I'm one of the very few in the neighborhood with a garden.
I'll be shopping at natures grocery store LONG before any neighbors know this store exists. _________________ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
frankthetank wrote:
Wait until wave after wave of school buses full of Chicagoans get sent to Trempealeau and Buffalo county for Obama/Clinton's new plan to feed the masses! I'm sure the ghettos of Minneapolis could be there even faster
There going to get pretty tired of milk, cheese and corn silage. Can't we send them to North Dakota... or maybe La Crosse County. I hear that there is some good farmland down there.
_________________ Nature is complete because it does not serve itself.
The sage places himself after and finds himself before,
Ignores his desire and finds himself content.
He is complete because he does not serve himself. -Lao Tze
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
The posts above that say the wild animals will not last long if there is a food shortage are right on the money. I live in PA and I expect a lot of deer will be killed this fall during archery season and never tagged, just quietly put into someone's freezer and then they go for another one.
I expect this year to be hard on game with the high gas and food prices that are already squeezing people. If there is a food shortage and you go kill a deer by the time you walk up to it four other guys will be standing around it all saying "I was planning using that deer to feed MY family." I could get ugly real fast.
As for the PA game commission, they are a bunch of lieing Nazi's in green uniforms. If you are kill game that is eating your garden make sure to dispose of it where it'll never be found. The PA game commission gets it's money from hunting licenses and fines, so they love to fine people.
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
TreeFarmer wrote:
The posts above that say the wild animals will not last long if there is a food shortage are right on the money. I live in PA and I expect a lot of deer will be killed this fall during archery season and never tagged, just quietly put into someone's freezer and then they go for another one.
I expect this year to be hard on game with the high gas and food prices that are already squeezing people. If there is a food shortage and you go kill a deer by the time you walk up to it four other guys will be standing around it all saying "I was planning using that deer to feed MY family." I could get ugly real fast.
As for the PA game commission, they are a bunch of lieing Nazi's in green uniforms. If you are kill game that is eating your garden make sure to dispose of it where it'll never be found. The PA game commission gets it's money from hunting licenses and fines, so they love to fine people.
TF
Our wardens do not seem to care and even seem annoyed at reports of poaching. I use to care... then I learned about this thing called resource depletion _________________ Nature is complete because it does not serve itself.
The sage places himself after and finds himself before,
Ignores his desire and finds himself content.
He is complete because he does not serve himself. -Lao Tze
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4309 Location: Graceland
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
TreeFarmer wrote:
The posts above that say the wild animals will not last long if there is a food shortage are right on the money. I live in PA and I expect a lot of deer will be killed this fall during archery season and never tagged, just quietly put into someone's freezer and then they go for another one.
I expect this year to be hard on game with the high gas and food prices that are already squeezing people. If there is a food shortage and you go kill a deer by the time you walk up to it four other guys will be standing around it all saying "I was planning using that deer to feed MY family." I could get ugly real fast.
As for the PA game commission, they are a bunch of lieing Nazi's in green uniforms. If you are kill game that is eating your garden make sure to dispose of it where it'll never be found. The PA game commission gets it's money from hunting licenses and fines, so they love to fine people.
TF
Depending on what part of PA you are talking about, I would welcome much more aggressive hunting. It would save a lot of car and truck bumpers.
I think one thing we are likely to see will be a lot more carcass collecting when a driver hits a deer.
If the game warden asks if you have a license, you can just show them your drivers license. _________________
Joined: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 291 Location: US East Coast
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Two lessons from my Father:
1. Never shoot anything you don't intend to eat.
2. Never point a gun at a human if you don't intend to pull the trigger.
Caveman: Yup to all that.
Big Tex wrote:
"Small game is probably the best reason to have a .22 rifle in your arsenal. Anything larger than a .22 really makes a mess."
A handy 20 gauge double is also sweet. I have fallen in love with a Ruger 77/22 in 22 magnum. It's a bit of a luxury but has the same energy at 110 yards as a regular 22LR at muzzel. Still good on squirrel but you really want head shots.
"I think one thing we are likely to see will be a lot more carcass collecting when a driver hits a deer."
Could be. And there are provisions for it in the game code. You just need to call the Game Commission and tell them within 24-hours, I think.
Frankthetank wrote:
"Fish will be harder to deplete especially without fuel to get out to where they are."
Don't bet on it. Worldwide fish stocks are crashing from over harvesting. We keep going down the food chain harvesting more and more of the feeders. Just look at the North Atlantic Cod stocks. Its been just about 15 years of strictly limited fishing and they are NOT coming back. We changed something in their environment and we don't know what. It's like the destruction of the buffalo herds in our lifetime. And who cares?
TreeFarmer wrote:
"The PA game commission gets it's money from hunting licenses and fines, so they love to fine people."
Exactly, except that it used to be the ONLY way they got paid was from fines. Now think about that for a second. Suppose your town cops got their ONLY pay from fining Joe 6pack! Talk about a police state. Its not their fault, its the politicians (and ours) for setting up the system.
And now for my DOOMER RANT:
Caveman was onto it and he is in good company too. Without citing references it is the downtrodden who are more likely to survive because they have been stressed throughout their lives. While the people in our ghettos are not eating their shoe leather they ARE out on the streets dealing with a mini-Mad-Max world. They are the SURVIVORS. Like the Jews out of the Warsaw ghettos who formed the Israeli army these people have the potential to become some mean mo-fos. Don't count them down. When TSHTF they will have the least to loose and the most to gain. They may not know how to grow crops, but if they know how to put an Uzi to your head in a VERY convincing fashion do they need to know more?
Can you look some sumofabitch in the eye and pull the trigger? The soaring murder rates in our cities toughest neighborhoods indicates that they can.
How many of us have the combination of skill and attitude? How many of our families have this combination? Can you sew? Can your wife pull the trigger?
Cheerio! _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Newfie wrote:
Two lessons from my Father:
1. Never shoot anything you don't intend to eat.
2. Never point a gun at a human if you don't intend to pull the trigger.
Caveman: Yup to all that.
Big Tex wrote:
"Small game is probably the best reason to have a .22 rifle in your arsenal. Anything larger than a .22 really makes a mess."
A handy 20 gauge double is also sweet. I have fallen in love with a Ruger 77/22 in 22 magnum. It's a bit of a luxury but has the same energy at 110 yards as a regular 22LR at muzzel. Still good on squirrel but you really want head shots.
"I think one thing we are likely to see will be a lot more carcass collecting when a driver hits a deer."
Could be. And there are provisions for it in the game code. You just need to call the Game Commission and tell them within 24-hours, I think.
Frankthetank wrote:
"Fish will be harder to deplete especially without fuel to get out to where they are."
Don't bet on it. Worldwide fish stocks are crashing from over harvesting. We keep going down the food chain harvesting more and more of the feeders. Just look at the North Atlantic Cod stocks. Its been just about 15 years of strictly limited fishing and they are NOT coming back. We changed something in their environment and we don't know what. It's like the destruction of the buffalo herds in our lifetime. And who cares?
TreeFarmer wrote:
"The PA game commission gets it's money from hunting licenses and fines, so they love to fine people."
Exactly, except that it used to be the ONLY way they got paid was from fines. Now think about that for a second. Suppose your town cops got their ONLY pay from fining Joe 6pack! Talk about a police state. Its not their fault, its the politicians (and ours) for setting up the system.
And now for my DOOMER RANT:
Caveman was onto it and he is in good company too. Without citing references it is the downtrodden who are more likely to survive because they have been stressed throughout their lives. While the people in our ghettos are not eating their shoe leather they ARE out on the streets dealing with a mini-Mad-Max world. They are the SURVIVORS. Like the Jews out of the Warsaw ghettos who formed the Israeli army these people have the potential to become some mean mo-fos. Don't count them down. When TSHTF they will have the least to loose and the most to gain. They may not know how to grow crops, but if they know how to put an Uzi to your head in a VERY convincing fashion do they need to know more?
Can you look some sumofabitch in the eye and pull the trigger? The soaring murder rates in our cities toughest neighborhoods indicates that they can.
How many of us have the combination of skill and attitude? How many of our families have this combination? Can you sew? Can your wife pull the trigger?
Cheerio!
How long until they run out of Uzi bullets?
They also have to assault new positions every time they want/need something. Advantage is always to the defender. Eventually the one who assaults looses.
Winter... Can they kill and steal enough to survive winter? Maybe they will go south... fine by me.
Sure they will be mean. We can be mean too. There will be a new xenophobia, if we don't know you, you are not welcome. You (or your group) raided the Smith ranch. A posse is put together and you are chased away or killed. _________________ Nature is complete because it does not serve itself.
The sage places himself after and finds himself before,
Ignores his desire and finds himself content.
He is complete because he does not serve himself. -Lao Tze
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4309 Location: Graceland
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Newfie wrote:
And now for my DOOMER RANT:
Caveman was onto it and he is in good company too. Without citing references it is the downtrodden who are more likely to survive because they have been stressed throughout their lives. While the people in our ghettos are not eating their shoe leather they ARE out on the streets dealing with a mini-Mad-Max world. They are the SURVIVORS. Like the Jews out of the Warsaw ghettos who formed the Israeli army these people have the potential to become some mean mo-fos. Don't count them down. When TSHTF they will have the least to loose and the most to gain. They may not know how to grow crops, but if they know how to put an Uzi to your head in a VERY convincing fashion do they need to know more?
Can you look some sumofabitch in the eye and pull the trigger? The soaring murder rates in our cities toughest neighborhoods indicates that they can.
How many of us have the combination of skill and attitude? How many of our families have this combination? Can you sew? Can your wife pull the trigger?
Cheerio!
Adding to what WC said above, there is a large cross-current to the population you are describing--look at the way these people spend their money, take care of their health, and cooperate with one another, and you may not be so optimistic about their survival prospects.
I wouldn't compare some crack dealer gangster who can't spell his name for a Jew from the Warsaw ghetto. The crack dealer is not a survivor at all--he's more like the walking dead, IMO. _________________
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Newfie wrote:
Two lessons from my Father:
1. Never shoot anything you don't intend to eat.
2. Never point a gun at a human if you don't intend to pull the trigger.
"I think one thing we are likely to see will be a lot more carcass collecting when a driver hits a deer."
Could be. And there are provisions for it in the game code. You just need to call the Game Commission and tell them within 24-hours, I think.
Cheerio!
I learned 1 & 2 from my father as well.
As for carcass collecting, I think you better read the game laws really carefully. The deer belongs to the state, it may be an offense for you to take it with you can then call. Even if it is not, they can always say "no" and take it. DO NOT trust anything from the PA game commission unless it is in writing and has been notorized.
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