How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Joined: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 220 Location: US East Coast
Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Each to his own opinion.
Let us all share in the hope we never know the answers for certain. _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
i have my eyes on some local wild turkeys. but i suspect it's a violation of some local laws.
i was contemplating feeding them something that will make them fall asleep, then use a machete to chop the head off. nice long neck, can't miss. _________________ http://www.LASIK-FLAP.com/ ~ Health Warning about LASIK Eye Surgery
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
BigTex wrote:
One things that suburbs tend to do is displace predators while leaving their prey. I am thinking about deer, rabbits, squirrels, rats, and other varmints. Thus, these populations grow out of control.
Also, the suburban landscape contains many bodies of water that are either stocked with fish or could be.
What thoughts do you have on the ability of a skilled hunter, trapper, and angler to be able to skim a little cream off the suburban landscape?
I could bag several rabbits a day from my front door if I wanted to. I could trap a few and start my own rabbit farm if I wanted to as well.
I am picturing a post-PO apocalyptic world with the occasional Mad Max figure on a bicycle with a skinny deer carcass strapped to the handlebars.
Yes, good ideas. Blackbird is also a good eat (I've been told)
Here is an interesting tidbit. But don't know how much fish he gets...he is pretty skinny.
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
pedalling_faster wrote:
i have my eyes on some local wild turkeys. but i suspect it's a violation of some local laws.
i was contemplating feeding them something that will make them fall asleep, then use a machete to chop the head off. nice long neck, can't miss.
Wild turkeys all around us. The other day one wondered up the asphalt in front of my office window. Another one was pecking at my widow in my gym.
And YES, all sort of laws to control us. Pretty soon they will charge us for pooping...oops i guess they already do that with sewer taxes.
When TEOTWAK arrives it is life first and hunting license and laws will have to go. Hell, It cost me $40 for a non resident Ohio fishing license to go catch some blue gills at a local lake. And the gas to get there is another $12.
Very expensive to live nowadays. I stopped fishing there. I used to go once or twice a year to catch a handful of bluegills but its not worth it.
Looks like I will have to give up my jet ski down the road as well. When it cost $100 to fill it I wont be able to afford it. Until that time I can manage with the $40 fill up cost as I get at least two 45 minute rides out of a tank of gas if I am easy on it.
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 2613 Location: The Entropisphere
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Newfie wrote:
Each to his own opinion.
Let us all share in the hope we never know the answers for certain.
I use to trust in hope. Then I spent three months eating nothing but pasta, cheap sauce and the racing the illegal immigrants to see who would get the food that was thrown away at the buffet where I worked (had to wolf it down like a dog there, since we were not allowed to take it with us).
After that I do the math, work out a best, middle and worst case scenerio, and plan to take care of me and mine during the worse.
Hope is great, we all have our hopes. Hope, however, is not too highly respected by reality. Hope is not a plan. _________________ Ring them bells St. Peter
Where the four winds blow,
Ring them bells with an iron hand
So the people will know.
Oh it's rush hour now
On the wheel and the plow
And the sun is going down
Upon the sacred cow.
Joined: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 220 Location: US East Coast
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
wisconsin_cur wrote:
Newfie wrote:
Each to his own opinion.
Let us all share in the hope we never know the answers for certain.
I use to trust in hope. Then I spent three months...snip...
Hope is great, we all have our hopes. Hope, however, is not too highly respected by reality. Hope is not a plan.
Agreed. However hope is a REQUIREMENT of survival. In dire situations there are some interesting statistics. Something like 2/3rds of people who abandon their boats to life rafts die within 2 or 3 days, for no good reason. They just give up.
The other 1/3 go on for a long time. Weeks or months depending upon their resources.
There are other requirements as well. Read Deep Survival by Laurence Gonzales. He goes through the stages of being lost and the qualities of being a survivor. Psychology plays a big role. For example 2 to 6 year olds have better survival stats than 7 to 13 yo because their world view is different.
I recommend you get a hunter ed course, a license and a 22 for squirrel or 20 gage for rabbit and grouse. Stay legal, at least for now, but get out side and enjoy nature for a bit.
Also, you might want to subscribe to to Backwoodsman Magazine.
http://www.backwoodsmanmag.com/ A mix of stuff but guys who would feel right at home here and this thread in particular. _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 2613 Location: The Entropisphere
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Newfie,
Good starting suggestions, all done. I have been killing things to eat since I was eight and will do not give up when I have decided on something. It is a family tradition of sorts. Hopefully I will not have to use my ammuniotion to hunt. If so that means that I have had to go to "plan b" or maybe even "c." I am not worried too much about myself. I'm pretty sure that I will be ok... I do worry about how things will play out in that I do not know how hard it will be on the kids and bride; things can go ok or things can be hard. Only time will tell.
I just interact with too many people who say "well I just go up to the cabin if things get bad." or "I'll be alright, I have a 25# of rice." They, I'm afraid, will be "two dayers." Perhaps we should coin a new term for those who think they'll be fine in the lifeboat but lack the resources or the psychology to make it in the long-term. If I get a chance to get on line later in the day I'll have to author a post proposing the new lingo. _________________ Ring them bells St. Peter
Where the four winds blow,
Ring them bells with an iron hand
So the people will know.
Oh it's rush hour now
On the wheel and the plow
And the sun is going down
Upon the sacred cow.
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
Slightly off topic, anybody know of a good book regarding butchery of big game? I'm familiar with cleaning up the sides but I don't know how you then take the various cuts. _________________ Cougar
"Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without." - Brigham Young
Joined: Jan 17, 2007 Posts: 43 Location: Central PA
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
While we are on this topic..
Here's a story my Grandfather used to tell us, he claimed it was true, even if not, it illustrates a point.
My Grandparents lived in a very remote coal town in Appalachia during the Depression. Meat was essentially unaffordable at that time for most people in the region, who lived on beans, potatoes, cornbread and goat milk. According to my grandfather, most all wild game was totally eliminated from that area at that time, all eaten by poor families. Well, one day, while walking home from work, he happens to come across a groundhog. He manages to get between the hog and his hole, somehow corners it, and throws his jacket over it. He jumps on it, wraps it up, kicks/bashes it a bit, figures it's dead or KO'd, and carries it home. He keeps it wrapped up in the jacket. When he gets to his house, which has a screened in (small) porch, he puts the groundhog under a wash tub, still in the jacket, and puts something heavy on the tub. He goes inside to get cleaned up a bit, and get things ready to butcher this groundhog. He is inside for about 5-10 minutes, when he goes out again to get the hog, he finds the tub turned over, no groundhog, and no jacket. The door to the porch was latched, but, now, it's wide open...He always swore his neighbors stole the groundhog, the moral was that times were so hard back then, people had eaten all the good game, then got so desperate, that they were stealing groundhogs from each other...
Another aside Re: PA game commision, they permanently revoked hunting privleges( or is it right?) from both of my grandfather's for poaching...they both loved to set up bait stations in their yards, and literally shoot things that came from inside the house, thru the windows.. Highly effective, and highly illegal, but, they each had MANY mouths to feed...
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4037 Location: Pacific Northwest
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Suburban Hunting, Fishing and Trapping
cavemandoom30 wrote:
Another aside Re: PA game commision, they permanently revoked hunting privleges( or is it right?) from both of my grandfather's for poaching...they both loved to set up bait stations in their yards, and literally shoot things that came from inside the house, thru the windows.. Highly effective, and highly illegal, but, they each had MANY mouths to feed...
So the animals were inside the house and came out the windows to get the bait in the yard?
Had they eaten everything inside the house?
What kind of animals were these? _________________
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