Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Hagakure_Leofman wrote:
usncom wrote:
Strangely enough I first kept hearing the term "peak oil" thrashed around in a high performance automobile enthusiast forum.
Fantastic juxtaposition! High performance auto forum to HERE.
Welcome!
Whatever you do, don't pick up a bunch of info here and return to your HP site with it. They will just eat you alive.
No, please do tell the gear heads that nitrous oxide won't save them. The more we send out peak oil missionaries willing to suffer the insults of ther friends the better chance we might actualy mitigate some of the impacts.
I'm sorry but you are being asked to lay down your life for the message. Now that you have taken the red pill you are one of us brother/sister?
LOL. I'm way too busy to start flame wars over this or anything else on other message boards so ya don't have to worry about that Vision.
Believe it or not Gandalf, there are quite a few "gearheads" who believe that the combustion engine is in its last years of existence. I did monitor a thread on two seperate auto enthusiast websites where the peak oil debate got way too emotional and heated. That lead me to do the research.
Not sure what you mean by "being asked to lay down my life for the message."
Joined: Sep 01, 2005 Posts: 231 Location: New Hampshire USA
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
Quote:
Our local government officials have been on the cutting edge of limiting sprawl. We have the most successful farmland conservation program in the country. I always thought that it was weird that I could get off the Interstate from some of the nations most congested roadways and then instantly be transported into a bygone era with miles and miles of farmland surrounding me on both sides. So if not peak oil aware they are environmentally aware...so much so its annoying at times.
It would be interesting to look into public record about that.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
usncom wrote:
In my profession as a patrol officer, I practically live out of my car at work so even as I'm driving around in the Ford guzzlin gas I can't stop thinking about it.
Make damn sure your patrol car looks like this and you'll be prepared for what lies ahead.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
usncom wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Hagakure_Leofman wrote:
usncom wrote:
Strangely enough I first kept hearing the term "peak oil" thrashed around in a high performance automobile enthusiast forum.
Fantastic juxtaposition! High performance auto forum to HERE.
Welcome!
Whatever you do, don't pick up a bunch of info here and return to your HP site with it. They will just eat you alive.
No, please do tell the gear heads that nitrous oxide won't save them. The more we send out peak oil missionaries willing to suffer the insults of ther friends the better chance we might actualy mitigate some of the impacts.
I'm sorry but you are being asked to lay down your life for the message. Now that you have taken the red pill you are one of us brother/sister?
LOL. I'm way too busy to start flame wars over this or anything else on other message boards so ya don't have to worry about that Vision.
Believe it or not Gandalf, there are quite a few "gearheads" who believe that the combustion engine is in its last years of existence. I did monitor a thread on two seperate auto enthusiast websites where the peak oil debate got way too emotional and heated. That lead me to do the research.
Not sure what you mean by "being asked to lay down my life for the message."
If you work for the NSA or any other mandatory reporter I meant nothing, nothing at all.
Otherwise our people will be contacting you. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
Any problem a person or group looks at is going to be biased by a persons life experence, but the reason most people have not been made aware of an issue like "peak oil" is because it is quite complex and in general people like simple ideas.
Another reason most people do not warm up to the idea of peak oil is because it is an "inconvenient truth" than eventually will mean some kind of life style change. Furthermore social norms in this country, have reinforced ideas thru "advertising" that there are no downsides to consumer culture.
As it stands, the american public likes the idea of a life style where they can live in McMansion and drive an SUV, but the unfortunate down truth of such a life style is too many americans used cheap credit to live an unsustainable life style (both from an economic and environmental standpoint).
From what I gather many people on this board are somewhat "OBSESSED" with the concept of peak oil, for many different reasons. Personally I think "peak oil" is another opportunity to change the economy to more environmentally sustainable, but others seem preoccupied with "running off to the hills and living in a bunker."
As a patrol offier, I'm kinda curious if ya changed your diving habbits after becomming "OBSESSED" by that I mean you can greatly improve gas mileage by not stomping on the gas and accelerating unnecessarly, driving within the posted speed limit say 65 MPH on the highway.
Personally I've been driving that way for years, and manage to break the EPA estimates for my various cars. For example in my land cruiser I've managed to get over 15 MPG and over 20 MPG in my BMW 540 over a number of years. That might not sound like high MPG, but for those class of vehicles its pretty darn efficent. But around town (when I do drive instead of walking) I mostly drive my old diesel benz that I bought while at university, because I find it the most comfortable to drive and the fact that it uses biodiesel.
usncom wrote:
Strangely enough I first kept hearing the term "peak oil" thrashed around in a high performance automobile enthusiast forum. On a whim I decided to investigate the subject independently. I was shocked and dumbfounded at what I've found. I can't believe reputable scientists/geologists have been predicting this for some time but this has not been pushed out into the mainstream.
I'm still in the process of objectively examining both sides of the issue. In the meantime my girlfriend swears I'm obsessed with this subject. I find myself slipping the topic in every chance I get without mentioning the buzz word "peak oil". In my profession as a patrol officer, I practically live out of my car at work so even as I'm driving around in the Ford guzzlin gas I can't stop thinking about it.
I even had a dream about the subject. I was filling up gas in a really old car from the seventies. Gasoline was spilling all over the place as I was putting it in the tank. There was even a special drainage bin in the ground for the spilt fuel going in the cars as if this was normal. I tried to drive off and the fuel started leaking out like crazy from the hose near the fuel pump. I was on my way to a college class but I was worried I wouldn't make it because of the leaking hose I was so desperatly trying to fix.
As I sit here getting ready to take a break by playing "Frontline Fuel of War" (yes, oddly enough someone has made a video game based on a peak oil scenario), I wonder if its all just a fad. The religious overtones of armeggedon and societal collapse seem rather ironic given my first impression of alot of people on these forums are that they are agnostic or atheist. Apocalyptic predictions stemming from an us vs them mentality tend to be dead wrong. Our nation's religious past is littered with cults and sects whose doomsday apocalyptic visions never came to pass.
Ok I'm starting to ramble, this is my first post, and my impressions as listed above are only first impressions. The thing that stands out in all my research of this is the graphs and the solid science behind it.
_________________ "I'm 100% sure that unsustainable conspicuous consumption of natural basic resources will eventually lead to a proverbial hell on earth for those people who get stuck with the mismanagement mess of mankind not being stewards of the environment!"
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
Lumpy wrote:
DomusAlbion wrote:
Yes, you are obsessed. You sound like me when I first encountered Peak Oil.
I started seeing a psychiatrist.
I convinced her and now we're married and live on a farm in the country.
Welcome and keep your cool. Dystopia is on the way but it won't happen overnight.
So, as a fellow-practitioner of the art/science of psychiatry, I am well aware of the contagion of obsession.
Here's my question to you -- is she obsessed now, too???
Lumpy
She is foriegn. She comes from a country that isn't nearly as dependent on fossil fuels as we are. Farming is still well known, and horses are still pretty much a part of the fabric of daily life.
Out of the blue I asked her if she knew what a kerosene lamp was and she tells me "Oh yes! We use those all the time becuase of the frequent power outtages." I then asked her why kerosene instead of flashlights and she says they are more interesting to tell stories around.
Sense I've shown her this stuff she openly tells she has always thought we were sooo dependent on modern conveniences. I'm just now seeing this.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
I've been obsessed since I found out about peak oil in 2000. I can't seem to shake it. Recent events confirm the reality of the situation. I have mellowed a bit, but I prepare every day. I do something. Every little bit helps. It looks like it's coming now.
I feel than any time we have left before it gets really bad is for getting ready. _________________ Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
usncom wrote:
(...)
As I sit here getting ready to take a break by playing "Frontline Fuel of War" (yes, oddly enough someone has made a video game based on a peak oil scenario), I wonder if its all just a fad. The religious overtones of armeggedon and societal collapse seem rather ironic given my first impression of alot of people on these forums are that they are agnostic or atheist. Apocalyptic predictions stemming from an us vs them mentality tend to be dead wrong. Our nation's religious past is littered with cults and sects whose doomsday apocalyptic visions never came to pass.
Ok I'm starting to ramble, this is my first post, and my impressions as listed above are only first impressions. The thing that stands out in all my research of this is the graphs and the solid science behind it.
Our nation?! And what nation is that? n00b, this is an world wide forum of an international issue... either way, have some pie _________________ anagami.net
Joined: Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 253 Location: Rural Western Idaho
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
usncom wrote:
Lumpy wrote:
DomusAlbion wrote:
Yes, you are obsessed. You sound like me when I first encountered Peak Oil.
I started seeing a psychiatrist.
I convinced her and now we're married and live on a farm in the country.
Welcome and keep your cool. Dystopia is on the way but it won't happen overnight.
So, as a fellow-practitioner of the art/science of psychiatry, I am well aware of the contagion of obsession.
Here's my question to you -- is she obsessed now, too???
Lumpy
She is foriegn. She comes from a country that isn't nearly as dependent on fossil fuels as we are. Farming is still well known, and horses are still pretty much a part of the fabric of daily life.
Out of the blue I asked her if she knew what a kerosene lamp was and she tells me "Oh yes! We use those all the time becuase of the frequent power outtages." I then asked her why kerosene instead of flashlights and she says they are more interesting to tell stories around.
Sense I've shown her this stuff she openly tells she has always thought we were sooo dependent on modern conveniences. I'm just now seeing this.
USNCOM - I was addressing my question to DomusAlbion. I can see, however, that you are new at posting here, so maybe you didn't get that.
Anyway, welcome - and you are fortunate to have a wife who is accustomed to making due with kerosene lamps, and to FARMING (!) etc.
Lumpy _________________ "Run when you can, walk when you have to, crawl if you must; just never give up."
-- Dean Karnazes, runner and author of Ultramarathon Man
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
Should have taken the BLUE pill. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
We're all going to have to adapt to changing circumstances, and we're heading for some really tough times.
The permaculture guy, Holmgren said that the best strategy in nature is competition if there is increasing energy coming into the system. Look at farms, they have gotten bigger and bigger in the 20th century.
In a system with decreasing energy, the best strategy is cooperation. In the low energy human systems of the world, the village economy, there is a high degree of cooperation.
We are going to have to re-create that. _________________ Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
Joined: Jan 29, 2005 Posts: 358 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
Kia Ora and welcome to the real matrix world
Um, just remember to breathe.
Note : it takes YEARS to really prep up. And if you're smart like most of us, you'd really be choosy and wise about sharing what you can understand and know about PO. Concentrate on preps and immediate circle at once. _________________ regards,
Rostov
"Some {} are more equal than others"
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Just Found Out About PO. Am I OBSESSED?
You're not obsessed but you could become very depressed.Life can be hard enough without this crap.You'll start looking at the most minor things differently in order to conserve,but rest assured,whatever you might save will be sucked up by some stupid people somewhere else. _________________ Gimme some demand destruction.
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