Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Quote:
Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven, there is no other way. There are all kinds of experiences out there but the only way to be saved is through the person of Jesus Christ and His shed blood.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
POAlex wrote:
But you're confusing a saved person who hungers and thirsts after righteousness with someone trying to earn their salvation by being perfect.
No, I'm not. I'm pointing out that Jesus told his followers to be perfect (complete, if you prefer) and told them how to be perfect (or complete, if you prefer). I'm not making any statements about "trying to earn salvation," I'm talking about Christian behavior. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
vision-master wrote:
Quote:
Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven, there is no other way. There are all kinds of experiences out there but the only way to be saved is through the person of Jesus Christ and His shed blood.
Total BS..............
Increduoous non believers get spiraled into debate with christians and almost invariably depart more firmly believing that these folks are imprisoned in their circular logic, arrogance, hubris and mind numbing regurgitations.
Great job Gandalf and POAlex !
I just pressed the ejection button and am now escaping the gravitational pull of your foolishness. _________________ Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ibon wrote:
Increduoous non believers get spiraled into debate with christians and almost invariably depart more firmly believing that these folks are imprisoned in their circular logic, arrogance, hubris and mind numbing regurgitations.
Great job Gandalf and POAlex !
I often wonder how successful these kinds of conversations are at converting people to Christianity. I'd like to get some feedback from people who have been reading this thread and maybe not participating. Are you more convinced of the truth of Christianity? Less convinced? About the same? _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ibon wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Quote:
Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven, there is no other way. There are all kinds of experiences out there but the only way to be saved is through the person of Jesus Christ and His shed blood.
Total BS..............
Increduoous non believers get spiraled into debate with christians and almost invariably depart more firmly believing that these folks are imprisoned in their circular logic, arrogance, hubris and mind numbing regurgitations.
Great job Gandalf and POAlex !
I just pressed the ejection button and am now escaping the gravitational pull of your foolishness.
Give me a break.
I'm a non-believer of "my way is the right way, my way is the only way".
Major Organized Religions operate the same as Governments do.
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
This thread is still going on?
I thought I debunked it pages ago & converted everyone to heathens. _________________ "We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time." - TS Eliot*
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
Ibon wrote:
Increduoous non believers get spiraled into debate with christians and almost invariably depart more firmly believing that these folks are imprisoned in their circular logic, arrogance, hubris and mind numbing regurgitations.
Great job Gandalf and POAlex !
I often wonder how successful these kinds of conversations are at converting people to Christianity. I'd like to get some feedback from people who have been reading this thread and maybe not participating. Are you more convinced of the truth of Christianity? Less convinced? About the same?
Ludi,
Have you read any of the passages that have been listed here? I can't convert you, nobody can. No amount of talking about Jesus, or arguing about it can convert anyone. The message will be preached in the whole world as a sign and then the end will come.
Does it appear to you that I have rejected you? But can I stop posting in line with the OP here. No?
There are always going to be those who fight against God. I expect differently of you because you told me you once believed. But how you live and what you believe is between you and God.
As I said I am just sharing my experience and offering arguments based upon the Bible. Does it not appear that I care about you all? That I actually want to see you happy and blessed.
This site have become quite a little community over the years, and it has been one of the only places where people can come and say just about whatever they want and work out their disbelief and angst over peak oil until it starts making sense again.
Look oil hit $120 today a new record, that is a 100% increase in one year. Before that it was a doubling of three years. If that is the new price pressure we could see $240 in six months. Certainly $150 this summer is not out of the question.
In the midst of this I am offering, just as zensui is in his own way, to speak of the things that have brought me peace.
I cannot apologize for my brothers and sisters if they sometimes fall into the trap of preaching condemnation instead of grace. It is a temptation we all face because it is tiring day after day facing wave after wave of people who call God a sadomasichist. The Lord is someone we know personally no to be that way, He is a member of the family, a Father. How would you feel if people were always slamming someone that you loved and you knew the accusations were baseless?
Aaron,
[I'm assuming you are being funny but I will respond like you were serious]
Yes, you did debunk it. That's why the entire Christian church folded up like a cardboard cut-out of George Bush and went into liquidation last week. I suspect that you know the Christian faith better than that. What part of this message is offensive to you, dare I ask,
'and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.' Romans 5:5
Why is the Bible's claim, when it produces those who love as God loves, such a threat? Those who do evil with the Name of Jesus are no different than those who do evil with the name of Bhudda. Those who do good in the name of Jesus are glorifying God. Trusting in God did not cause the problems the world sees today. I trust in Jesus and I still feel responsibility to care for the environment, and to make a plea for the gospel but leave people alone to make their own decisions. I cannot force someone to believe.
I usually do not say this because it is a shameful thing, but I have known many people not believers who were more kind than many who have claimed to be Christian. I say that to the shame of what some call Christianity.
Glad to see you popping in. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Does it appear to you that I have rejected you?
No. I'm not even sure what you're talking about "rejecting me." _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Ludi wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Does it appear to you that I have rejected you?
No. I'm not even sure what you're talking about "rejecting me."
Just think about all those peeps who are gonna burn in Hell!
God is just. No one goes to hell who does'nt really deserve it. Have fun!
Do suicides go to hell? _________________ "We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time." - TS Eliot*
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
Ibon wrote:
Increduoous non believers get spiraled into debate with christians and almost invariably depart more firmly believing that these folks are imprisoned in their circular logic, arrogance, hubris and mind numbing regurgitations.
Great job Gandalf and POAlex !
I often wonder how successful these kinds of conversations are at converting people to Christianity. I'd like to get some feedback from people who have been reading this thread and maybe not participating. Are you more convinced of the truth of Christianity? Less convinced? About the same?
The Gospel is about what you believe and not what a person does.
Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mar 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
Luk 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Joh 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
Joh 16:30-31 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. (31) Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
My understanding of the Gospel is one either believes or they don't.
Believing is not a work of man but an act of God.
Joh 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
"Reasoning" and "bonding" with people, in hopes of persuading them to believe is a fruitless excercise.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
"Reasoning" and "bonding" with people, in hopes of persuading them to believe is a fruitless excercise.
Then why did Jesus perform miracles among the unwashed?
It seems to me that if bonding and reasoning with people is fruitless you would have to throw out most of the New Testament, since that is what most of it is about. Read the first few paragraphs of every one of Paul's letters. In virtually very case he opens with a comment on his bond with the people to whom he is writing, and then proceeds to reason his way through a description of the faith.
I think your comment is just another unhelpful scrap of dogma that makes Christianity seem like a kook club.
This strident Bible thumping holier than thou thing is such an obviously unproductive way of sharing ANY faith, I can't believe there are so many people out there doing it.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
The Gospel is about what you believe and not what a person does.
Yet Jesus speaks constantly about behavior (what a person does) especially in regards to other people, as well as belief. His most famous public speech is primarily about behavior. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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