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funzone36
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 Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| Do they use oil-powered transport vehicles? |
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| funzone36 wrote: | | Do they use oil-powered transport vehicles? |
No, silly. They use sunbeams!
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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oil is solar power
(grabs flame suit...)
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funzone36
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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by trucks.
and sometimes by 20-mule team out to the homestead where Pappy unhitches the gals, and leads 'em to the barn where he and the boys satisfy their own particular thirst. 
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heroineworshipper
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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Now that's an unfair question. U might as well ask how indium oxide & silicon are mined, extracted, purified, & baked. Why can't U just buy Green Tech without asking so many questions?
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funzone36
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| heroineworshipper wrote: | | Now that's an unfair question. U might as well ask how indium oxide & silicon are mined, extracted, purified, & baked. Why can't U just buy Green Tech without asking so many questions? |
You do realize that they're not totally green. Lots of propaganda here and there. |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| heroineworshipper wrote: | | Now that's an unfair question. U might as well ask how indium oxide & silicon are mined, extracted, purified, & baked. Why can't U just buy Green Tech without asking so many questions? |
so was this a loaded question because if it is then you have to get into a serious LCA and consider not only the manufacturer and distribution but the decommissioning of the panels themselves which demands a 30-year depreciation confactored into the commodities market amortization etc.
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| funzone36 wrote: | | My question is serious, please answer it seriously. |
I know your question is meant to be serious but it is kinda silly. What transportation is not based on petroleum?
Right now there isn't one. Even electric cars or bicycles have petroleum products in their parts. Horses are probably feed by feed that has been shipped to their barns and nothing gets shipped by horses anyways. Even railroads are very petroleum dependent overall.
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fletch_961
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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How is crude oil transported?
Do they use electric powered centrifugal pumps to propel it through steel pipes that are forged using coal?
What a dumb question |
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yesplease
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| emersonbiggins wrote: | oil is solar power
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Yer gonna need more than a suit.
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Revi
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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Our solar thermal panels were made in Nova Scotia, so they were probably picked up by truck and transported to Maine. The company brought them in a pickup truck to our house and installed them.
If you bought a couple they would have to be truck shipped, and that could add to the cost.
Is that what you are asking?
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funzone36
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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^ It was more about solar thermal rather than solar PV but it did answer my question.
| joeltrout wrote: | | funzone36 wrote: | | My question is serious, please answer it seriously. |
I know your question is meant to be serious but it is kinda silly. What transportation is not based on petroleum?
Right now there isn't one. Even electric cars or bicycles have petroleum products in their parts. Horses are probably feed by feed that has been shipped to their barns and nothing gets shipped by horses anyways. Even railroads are very petroleum dependent overall.
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I'm interested in how railroads are petroleum dependent. Do some trains just need electricity to run? |
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yesplease
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| funzone36 wrote: | | I'm interested in how railroads are petroleum dependent. Do some trains just need electricity to run? |
Based on blurbs I've read, electrified rail costs, in terms of taxes, more than others in the states, due to having more invested in infrastructure, ie all the power transmission stuff, as opposed to diesel rail that only has the rail needed for the train to travel. The more the land the rail is on is worth, the less of an impact this has on costs, but in areas where the cost of land is very low, for instance most of what rail travels through in the core of the US, this additional would likely add significantly to operating costs.
Ironically enough, even though locomotives in the states likely use diesel for this reason, the diesel engine tends to be hooked up to an electric motor since it provides for superior traction motor torque over a much larger range of conditions compared to a diesel locomotive with a mechanical transmission. So... In the US, railroads are for the most part dependent on diesel based on tax design, but in other places like Europe there is a lot of electric rail, both for freight and people. In Australia, Queensland Rail has over 600 miles of electrified rail used for the transportation of coal.
Given how high crude prices have climbed, I think we will see more electric rail in the states, especially if what I've read about taxation, provided it's correct of course, changes.
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: Re: How are the solar thermal panels transported? |
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| funzone36 wrote: |
I'm interested in how railroads are petroleum dependent. Do some trains just need electricity to run? |
I look at the overall picture. Trains have many parts. Those parts are made all over the world and have to be shipped to train manufacturers. The workers of the train manufacturers have to drive to work or ride a bus.
Plastic, grease, engine oil, glass, paint, railroad ties, etc...all include petroelum products.
I have said before either everything is made using petroleum products or is shipped using petroleum products.
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