Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
I am sure the dirtbag western media will paint Russia as the aggressor. Contrast this to Kosovo. Apparently in the schoolyard minds of western leaders and their mouthpiece media uttering the word "special" is magic. It can convert two identical situations into polar opposites.
Any media coverage that does not address the rights of muslim Abkhazians is pure propaganda. Abkhazians are not ethnic Georgians and they had autonomous republic status in the USSR, like Kosovo had in Serbia. Like in Kosovo, there was a war between the local population and the ethnic group of the dominant republic and this conflict became frozen due to foreign intervention. Russian peacekeepers have a UN mandate to be in Abkhazia just as NATO had a mandate to be in Kosovo.
Abkhazia is not preparing for war on Georgia and did not attack it. The Georgian government is the clear aggressor in this case. The only reason it is so brave is because its US backers claim they will back them up. So the US now wants a war with Iran and a war with Russia while stuck in the Iraq quagmire. The lunatics are running the asylum.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
if Russia wants to beat one of the US puppies on her border, for test of strength, for deterrence to other wannabe puppies, or for her sole amusement, Georgia seems to be the best candidate.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
Russia has already draw together with these regions practically giving them all besides the official recognition. IMO, it won't go further if the status-quo is preserved. georgia's US backer have lost the possibility to give it the acces to the NATO, they also won't go further for the moment, as thus they break up the UNO decisions. _________________ Political correspondent,
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
Whatever it takes to make sure that the Red Army can get into the ME over land in a hurry, just in case. _________________ "Hope encourages men to take risks; men in a strong position may follow her without ruin, if not without loss. But when they stake all that they have to the last coin (for she is a spendthrift), she reveals her real self in the hour of failure."
Russian forces don't need to go over Georgian territory to get to the middle east. Funny how everyone is so worried about Russia in the middle east where it has never been its whole history, while the USA is invading one country after another. Gotta keep that phantom menace alive to justify the aggression.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
dissident wrote:
Gotta keep that phantom menace alive to justify the aggression.
Yeah man, Russia can do no wrong. You are worse that Pravda used to be.
Go bang your head on Dzierzynski's statue next time you pick your paycheck from Lyubyanka.
These will be accompanied by the procreation of the new Babylon, miserable daughter enlarged by the abomination of the first holocaust. It will last for only seventy-three years and seven months.
בת־בבל השדודה
אשרי שישלם־לך
את־גמולך שגמלת
לנו׃
O daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewards you as you have served us.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
gmin wrote:
if Russia wants to beat one of the US puppies on her border, for test of strength, for deterrence to other wannabe puppies, or for her sole amusement, Georgia seems to be the best candidate.
Nice gmin, you forgot to mention that Georgians are people too, or they don't figure on your list of humans ?
Perhaps they deserve to be bombed because they don't share your ideology. Maybe Russia ought to bomb the USA instead, to address the problem at its origin.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
dissident wrote:
Any media coverage that does not address the rights of muslim Abkhazians is pure propaganda.
Of course Abkhazia is an ancient Georgian land, chopped away by Russia. Quite similar to Kosovo if your ideological blinders would only allow you to see that.
What a double standard, you spineless twat.
You would make great commissar material. Pedal on, comrade.
Btu
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From 1803 to 1878, as a result of numerous Russian wars against Turkey and Iran, several formerly Georgian territories were annexed to the Russian Empire. These areas (Batumi, Artvin, Akhaltsikhe, Poti, and Abkhazia) now represent the majority of the territory of the present state of Georgia.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
Actually , Btu, your quote mearly states that Abkhazia is part of Georgia(according to the author). Are you stating because the author say it is, it is so? _________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
Cid_Yama wrote:
Actually , Btu, your quote mearly states that Abkhazia is part of Georgia(according to the author). Are you stating because the author say it is, it is so?
It goes back to ancient times, you can check the history yourself. The turks are invaders there as they have been in Anatolia and the Balkans.
As for the Russians, they never had any claim to any of the Caucasus, they expanded there gradually after the 1700s.
The Caucasus used to be Christian and part of the Byzantine empire, then it was divided and invaded many times by the Turks and the Persians, and finally gobbled up by Russia.
Western commentators can be very naive about the region since they don't understand its history. Russia's claim to be protectors for Abkhazians is laughable. On the other hand NATO/US/EU are after it because of its geostrategic importance, in particular regarding control of the black sea.
Recall that the only "warm water ports" of Russia are on the Black sea.
Btu
This is from a Russian source:
Quote:
Tsarist Russia conducted a centuries-long process of expansion into the Caucasus region, subduing the nationalities of the area gradually and often at great expense. The region has assumed particular importance in the contemporary era because of its oil, its location astride Russia's transportation and communications arteries leading to the Middle East, and the central government's fear of resurgent Islam along the southern border of the former Soviet Union.
Not far from Chechnya, a self-styled Confederation of Mountain Peoples of the North Caucasus emerged in 1992 in southwestern Russia, where the borders of the Russian Federation abut the Transcaucasian republics of the former Soviet Union. That confederation, including representatives from Russia's seven republics bordering the Caucasus, aspires to establish a chain of independent, predominantly Muslim states along the federation's southern periphery. It also has provided a forum for Chechen leaders to enlist support against Russia and for separatist leaders from Abkhazia and South Ossetia to enlist support against Georgia. Terrorist acts in Chechnya and elsewhere have been attributed to confederation members.
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
btu2012 wrote:
Yeah man, Russia can do no wrong. You are worse that Pravda used to be.
Here we are again.
West was doing all the good, what it could somewhere in Kosovo destroying international order meantime, so now you will see similar Russian goodness in Abkhazia (sorry if misspelled).
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
btu2012 wrote:
Yeah man, Russia can do no wrong. You are worse that Pravda used to be.
Here we are again.
West was doing all the good, what it could somewhere in Kosovo destroying international order meantime, so now you will see similar Russian goodness in Abkhazia (sorry if misspelled).
West was seeding a wind first...
No doubt that what the West did in Kosovo was both stupid and illegal under international law. You might remember that I didn't defend that.
But I don't agree with the line "if they do it then we can do it too".
The fact that your neighbor might kill people at night doesn't mean that you are justified to do so as well.
After all the US is illegally detaining and torturing people in Guantanamo, so why shouldn't Poland do the same ?
Wait, I seem to remember some allegations to that effect...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
Let me my two cents about about not so ancient history of these Caucasien regions. In international practice territorial conflicts between Abkhazia and South Ossetia received the status of inter-ethnic in the early 1990s, although actually deep-seated inter-ethnic strife between Tbilisi and the autonomous districts was a reality even back at the time when Georgia was a Soviet republic. As for Abkhazia, the region's population struggled to regain the statehood the region lost in 1931 when Abkhazia, initially a separate republic in the Soviet Union, was integrated on autonomy terms into the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic. Southern Ossetian citizens pushed for a proclamation of independence and at the same time for entry into the Russian Federation, a constituent entity of which is Northern Ossetia with inhabitants of the same ethnic group. Both internal conflicts of 1992-1993 were marked by serious military campaigns with many people killed and which were "frozen" only after peacekeeping troops with a CIS mandate stepped in.
And as for the Kosovo precendent's role in the case. Today's Moscow policy in these regions has another analogie - Taiwan (the lifting of sanctions imposed against Abkhazia and Vladimir Putin's order to work out measures to provide "objective help to the population of the unrecognized republics Abkhazia and South Ossetia, cooperating with their actual authorities", means the legalization of actually existing ties without the formal recognition of these territories).
Meanwhile, it can be said with a fair degree of probability that de jure Moscow will not take a step to declare Abkhazia and South Ossetia independent, since in this case it would forfeit the chance to appeal to international law and deny such precedence of the idea of a "self-determination" of the nation as a dangerous phenomenon for any federal state. _________________ Political correspondent,
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Georgia-Russian Conflict Looms
btu2012 wrote:
The list of happy brotherly nations in Greater Russia:
You could make a similar list for the USA. About 95% of them died because white christian colonists expelled them from the land they subsisted on. Or just plain massacred them.
Sorta makes the Russkies look good by comparison, eh?
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