Iran to Israel: You first then me...nukes

roccman · Last edited by roccman on Tue May 06, 2008 2:35 pm; edited 1 time in total

Oh... we never really do evolve past the selfish child stage...now do we?

"The existing double standard shall not be tolerated anymore by non-nuclear-weapon states," Ambassador Ali Asghar Soltanieh told a meeting of the 190 countries that have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
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canis_lupus

IMHO, this makes way too much sense for it to ever be put into play. If the Israelis want peace, this is a pretty good first step.

Israel = Iran = Iraq = Syria

The_Virginian · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 19, 2004 Posts: 1422

Israel never signed the NNT.

Therefore it is not bound by it, and has the supposed "right" to manufacture WMD.

The French built the Dimona reactor, and the next one will likely be done with the help of the US of A.

Eli

In general stopping the spread of nuclear arms is impossible. The main thing is you can't stop the spread of knowledge, eventually everyone learns how to make nuclear weapons.

Israel is screwed longterm.

Kylon · Expert Joined: Aug 12, 2005 Posts: 803

Eli

Anything short of that though and they are dead meat.

To survive they would have to become the thing they hate, how ironic.

strider3700

In the end all that matters is surviving. Period. The only thing that will prevent nuclear war from eventually happening is the creation of a newer and better weapon that makes nukes obsolete.

Got a bunker yet? If not get on it. It's still cheap and easy compared to the alternative
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Fishman

They are willing to do ANYTHING to survive

One gets that way after their past, and with present neighbors commenting on their lack of right to exist. Through history if you don't do the above action its called genocide.

pup55 · Expert Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 3570

What nobody understands is that in the case of Islam, instant annihilation becomes martyrdom, and a sure trip to heaven with all of the virgins and all that.

So Iran would be just as happy to die the martyrs' death. They don't care if they are blown up or not.

If you keep that in mind, all of this makes perfect sense.

frankthetank

The growing population in the mideast might come to a halt when Israel decides to unleash nukes on everyone in that area.
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efarmer · Heavy Crude Joined: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 448

China and India and Pakistan are all nuclear and have
strategic interest and contracts in the Arab oil states.
You have to realize they will have to counter the threat
after the first Arab oil state gets hit and contaminated
for years with nuclear fallout. I think Israel would have
to worry more about these nations simply using their
missiles to protect their oil supply more than the
Arabs and Persians they engage in endless war with.

China ain't gonna watch her oil supply nuked and not
hit back with a monstrous blow that is for keeps and
way beyond Israel or our ability to deal with and not
have global thermonuclear and all out war.

Let us hope that cooler heads prevail on all sides.

Roy

So, are we saying there isn't a double standard with regard to Israel? Particularly when it comes to nuclear weapons?

I think there is and I find it reprehensible. AIPAC should be abolished and US aid to the ME should end. NOW.

It's been pointed out by people more knowledgeable than myself, the the US gives money to both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict. That is patently absurd.

Israel needs to learn to stand on its own, if it can. The US is subsidizing them and we all know how sustainable that is. The day of reckoning draws ever nearer for the Israelis. They either need to learn to get along with their neighbors, or perish. I think eventually, when faced with the choice of being overrun, or capitulating; they will lash about with their military and their nukes, kill millions, and ultimately be wiped out as soon as the US can no longer bankroll them.

Tough crap. They made their bed and soon they're going to have to lie in it.

Zionism is threatening the stability of the entire region, and has WAY too much influence on elections and the governance of these United States. That ain't right.

Its an incestuous relationship that, in my view, primarily benefits Israel to the detriment of the US -- bought-and-paid-for politicians and the MI complex excepted.

Of course, this is all opinion, and I'm sure there's someone here who will call me anti-semite for me not loving on Israel.

That's a feeble defense, but it is oft-employed. For example, think back to last year when Jimmy Carter's book came out calling the Israeli's treatment of the Palestinians the equivalent to Apartheid. The right wing media in this country was one step from blaming him for the ovens at Auschwitz, or so it seemed.

This is not about race or religion, its about foreign entanglements. And this is one entanglement America can no longer afford and in my opinion, never should have.

The day when Israel will be forced to stand on its own 'merit' will come regardless of what our government wants. Its just a question of when.

Eli

Roy to be fair , the right and the left wing media were calling Jimmy Carter an anti-semite.

War is coming and Israel is likely to be at the center of it. They need to kick out the Knesset and start slaughtering lambs again, because the only one who can save them now is God.

Fishman

Roy
Yes there is a double standard concerning nukes in the Middle East, no question about it. Just as there is a double standard with Syrian chemical weapons, women's rights, free elections, who thinks who should exist, and a plethora of other points in the Middle East. Pick your bad guy. How do you "get along" with neighbors who constantly seek war against you? The US will not get out of this situation because 1) we need the oil 2) Israel is the only democratic state in the area- many would argue morally we must side with Israel. So lets not subsidize Israel, I'm ok with that, lets not subsidize Egypt, the Palestinians either. Who do you think will desend into chaos first?

careinke

Americans should be free to send aid to any one, or any country, they want too without any limits placed upon them. America (The US Government), on the other hand, should not send any aid to any foreign government or individual.

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