Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?
americandream wrote:
What are you, stupid?
Totally.
The US is the most overpopulated nation on earth. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?
Ludi wrote:
americandream wrote:
What are you, stupid?
Totally.
The US is the most overpopulated nation on earth.
Yes! _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?
Ludi wrote:
I think we can pretty much guarantee selfish powerful people won't make it any easier on the little guy. I'm as much worried (or more) about what selfish - or even well-meaning - PTB might do to "make things better."
That's right.
Don't forget all the well-meaning people that will rationalize staying within such a power structure in order to stay alive. _________________ "Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events."
Robert A. Heinlein
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?
MD wrote:
Ludi wrote:
I think we can pretty much guarantee selfish powerful people won't make it any easier on the little guy. I'm as much worried (or more) about what selfish - or even well-meaning - PTB might do to "make things better."
That's right.
Don't forget all the well-meaning people that will rationalize staying within such a power structure in order to stay alive.
Well, what is the point of being a PTB if not to assure your gene line? Isn't that the ultimate perk?
And if they are not selfish what will they do? Try to keep more people alive? That is a double edged sword: they may make a muck of it and kill people off unintentionally OR they may keep people alive, who will only create more people which makes the situation worse.
So I'm not to much on either feeling guilty or blaming. The things that are happening are generally beyond or intentional control. I am lucky to be born when and where I am and for that I am very, very, very grateful.
This all gets too much doom for me. I get to figure it this way. I have the right/obligation to take care of me and mine. To do that I need a stable community so I am willing to work on that. If I can create some island of stability then I have done a good thing, at least locally if not globally.
I'm not nearly as successful at this as I would like to be for various reasons. _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?
americandream wrote:
We in the west have scoffed the planet's resources and you yak on about the population numbers of those who haven't even lined up at the trough of "development" when the games all but over. What are you, stupid?
Sorry. The invisible hand doesn't really care whether the 3rd world gets a chance to buy cars and big screen TVs before die-off kicks in.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?
mos6507 wrote:
That's an uncharacteristically pessimistic thought from you, Ludi.[/quote]
Not really. I'm basing it on what I see of current events. Yes, people's behavior may change dramatically tomorrow, but it is unlikely. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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