Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
In 1989 at a panel discussion in Louisville, Gore's position was that climate change needed further study, and was villified for that by James Hansen and Barry Commoner, among others on the panel, for not aggressively attacking the problem then.
IMHO, Gore knew the political landscape well enough to be certain that the issue wouldn't fly then, although I think he well understood the climate problem. I believe he has been doing what he believes will do the most good, at any given point in time, and has taken his lumps with dignity along the way. James Hansen is another case study of those who are truly trying to make a difference, and have paid for it with ridicule and worse.
Commoner, too, took the then unpopular position, and suffered likewise. If my analysis is correct, then they all deserve a salute for using the best tactics they could come up with to do the right thing. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
So Gore is a hysteric for showing people a graph of CO2 concentration and how it is way above its normal range over the last 600,000 years but scumbags like Bush and Harper and all the other neocon swine who claim CO2 has no impact on climate are "reasonable"? Cashmere and is degree in professional nose picking would like to tell the world how every scientist with a real degree and years of hard work behind them are so wrong, but his two-second "analysis" is so right. Cashmere is a clown.
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
Bush is more of an idiot than Gore, to be sure, but being the lesser of two idiots does not remove the idiocy.
Gore pointed out CO2 levels over X number of years and pointed out how now it's at a high level comparatively?
Did he take the time to mention this (From Wikipedia, a liberal e-rag):
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The most powerful greenhouse gases are
* water vapor, which causes about 36–70% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. (Note clouds typically affect climate differently from other forms of atmospheric water.)
* carbon dioxide, which causes 9–26%
* methane, which causes 4–9%
* ozone, which causes 3–7%
1st, how flimsy is the general grasp of climate change that water vapor has a 34% range?
2nd, did Gore discuss water vapor? Did he discuss water vapor levels, historic and present, or the effect of industry on that?
C02, by the biased estimate above, can be as little as 1/10 of the effect of GW?
What about the others?
What Gore does is very simple. He puts up a graph of CO2, shows some images of hurricanes, and then screeches like a stuck chicken that "see! see! We're overheating the planet."
It's rudimentary, it's unscientific, and it's backed by the same sort of scientific intimidation that has backed so many other misuses of science over the last 100 years.
What has been hysterical Al's response to the report from the "reputable" scientists that we've entering a 10 year cooling or stable period?
Hmm?
Did Gore predict that 10 years ago? Did any of the accredited scientists predict that?
So if they didn't even know 5 years ago what was going to happen now, how credulous do you have to be to believe they are going to be accurate 80 years out?
Gore is hysterical. The hysteria will die down with time.
This is not PO, where it's rather simple science to demonstrate how much oil is in the ground and how much can be pumped.
This is a science that is so undeveloped that they can't even predict the climate on a year to year basis.
The new 10 -year cooling/stabilization is absolute proof of that.
Bottom line, GW is now on hold.
Call me in 5 years with the new predictions.
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This thread is all about attention seeking.
If so, then it's ironically appropriate, given the man who is the topic of the thread.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
Cashmere wrote:
Quote:
The most powerful greenhouse gases are:
* water vapor, which causes about 36–70% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. (Note clouds typically affect climate differently from other forms of atmospheric water.)
* carbon dioxide, which causes 9–26%
* methane, which causes 4–9%
* ozone, which causes 3–7%
1st, how flimsy is the general grasp of climate change that water vapor has a 34% range?
2nd, did Gore discuss water vapor? Did he discuss water vapor levels, historic and present, or the effect of industry on that?
C02, by the biased estimate above, can be as little as 1/10 of the effect of GW?
What about the others?
What Gore does is very simple. He puts up a graph of CO2, shows some images of hurricanes, and then screeches like a stuck chicken that "see! see! We're overheating the planet."
It's rudimentary, it's unscientific, and it's backed by the same sort of scientific intimidation that has backed so many other misuses of science over the last 100 years.
What has been hysterical Al's response to the report from the "reputable" scientists that we've entering a 10 year cooling or stable period?
Hmm?
Did Gore predict that 10 years ago? Did any of the accredited scientists predict that?
So if they didn't even know 5 years ago what was going to happen now, how credulous do you have to be to believe they are going to be accurate 80 years out?
Gore is hysterical. The hysteria will die down with time.
This is not PO, where it's rather simple science to demonstrate how much oil is in the ground and how much can be pumped.
This is a science that is so undeveloped that they can't even predict the climate on a year to year basis.
The new 10 -year cooling/stabilization is absolute proof of that.
Bottom line, GW is now on hold.
Call me in 5 years with the new predictions.
Quote:
This thread is all about attention seeking.
If so, then it's ironically appropriate, given the man who is the topic of the thread.
You're pretty uninformed about the science and what Al Gore actually had to say.
Yes, Gore does talk about water vapor, both in the film and the book. It is also mentioned predominately in the IPCC reports.
However, water vapor is not a forcing and CO2 is. In other words, the atmosphere can only retain so much water before it simply rains out. Increases in water vapor are a direct response to a warming climate.
The reason why the other GHGs play such an important role in present climate change is the question over balance. Historically, most all of the CO2 emmissions released were balanced by an equal amount naturally absorbed. At least until now, at which point we are exceeding the ability for natural carbon sinks to sequester the increased levels. The atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4 have increased by 31% and 149% respectively since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the mid-1700s.
So, quite simply, the more C02 and CH4, the more the planet warms, the more it warms, the more water vapor the atmosphere can contain.
The IPCC has been around for 20 years making predictions about increased global warming. The basic conclusions of which have been endorsed by at least thirty scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries. Of course the concern over climate change goes back much farther.
The 10 year cooling, as you call it, from the recent report in "Nature" refers to a decadel slow down in increases in global temperature. Not a hold on global warming. It is still going on, with natural variability only masking its worse effects. Temps are expected to steadily increase again, according to this same study, before 2015. Predicting when these cycles will happen is like trying to determine the exact second an ice cicle will fall off the edge of a roof on a sunny day. _________________ The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
Al Gore's role has been to publicize something that he (and virtually every single credible scientist in the world) thinks is serious and needs more attention. I tend to agree with him.
Cashmere: what if YOU'RE wrong?
BTW, your statement that "Wikipedia is a liberal e-rag" reveals a lot about your view of things.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
Frank wrote:
"Cashmere: what if YOU'RE wrong? BTW, your statement that "Wikipedia is a liberal e-rag" reveals a lot about your view of things."
Good points, nicely put.
The near total melting of the Arctic ice cap coming decades to centuries ahead of predictions of recent models doesn't seem to give our cashmere any cause for concern, alarm or 'hysteria.'
If cash was on fire and someone pointed it out to him, I'm sure he would keep on accusing them of hysteria and heaping insult and injury on them until he was finally completely consumed by the flames whose existence he was so adamantly denying.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
Cashmere wrote:
Quote:
You really think he's that bad for getting some attention while trying to point out we may be damaging our environment?
Actually, no, I wouldn't think that he was bad for that. In fact, that's my position.
My position is, "we may be damaging our environment."
Al Gore's position is, OH MY GOD, WE'RE KILLING THE PLANET. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW! QUICK QUICK, THROW THAT GASOLINE ON THE FIRE!! .
listen you f*cking little sophomore I have been observing the causes and consequences of global warming longer than you have been an adolescent twirp. Just because you woke up to the danger around you and it SCARES THE crap OUT OF YOU there is no reason to besmirch a good man.
Get out from behind your keyboard, grow up, get a real job, a real life, a real family and then you can put down your superior. F@cking little dweeb.
Dwindling ocean fisheries, topsoil depletion, species extinction, mineral exhaustion, declining grain stores, peak oil, global pertubations, global climate change, hunger, starvation, and general unhappiness are a consequence of TOO MANY HUMAN BEINGS ON THE PLANET EARTH AND SPECIFICALLY YOUR F#CKING SHOPPING ADDICTION. So shooting the messenger will not in any way lessen your RESPONSIBILITY. YOU CAUSED IT. YOU FIX IT. Dweeb.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
dohboi wrote:
If cash was on fire and someone pointed it out to him, I'm sure he would keep on accusing them of hysteria and heaping insult and injury on them until he was finally completely consumed by the flames whose existence he was so adamantly denying.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Gore - The Ultimate Global Warming Hysteric
pstarr wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
Quote:
You really think he's that bad for getting some attention while trying to point out we may be damaging our environment?
Actually, no, I wouldn't think that he was bad for that. In fact, that's my position.
My position is, "we may be damaging our environment."
Al Gore's position is, OH MY GOD, WE'RE KILLING THE PLANET. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW! QUICK QUICK, THROW THAT GASOLINE ON THE FIRE!! .
listen you f*cking little sophomore I have been observing the causes and consequences of global warming longer than you have been an adolescent twirp. Just because you woke up to the danger around you and it SCARES THE crap OUT OF YOU there is no reason to besmirch a good man.
Get out from behind your keyboard, grow up, get a real job, a real life, a real family and then you can put down your superior. F@cking little dweeb.
Dwindling ocean fisheries, topsoil depletion, species extinction, mineral exhaustion, declining grain stores, peak oil, global pertubations, global climate change, hunger, starvation, and general unhappiness are a consequence of TOO MANY HUMAN BEINGS ON THE PLANET EARTH AND SPECIFICALLY YOUR F#CKING SHOPPING ADDICTION. So shooting the messenger will not in any way lessen your RESPONSIBILITY. YOU CAUSED IT. YOU FIX IT. Dweeb.
Stop attacking the messenger and grow up. Infantile asswipe.
And on that tremendously eloquent well deserved verbal ass-kicking I will bid you all adieu and head out to the garden.
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