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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
green_achers wrote:
patience wrote:
Jenab,
I simply have no sympathy for those who won't make an effort to help themselves.
I keep hearing people say that, but the subject here is Katrina. Just what would you have had the people in New Orleans do to "help themselves?" So they made a bad decision regarding the evacuation, but as I said, it's always a judgment call, and it's a harder decision to make when you don't have cheap or easy transportation. No one was offering bus rides out before the storm.
Once they were trapped within the flooded city, with no aid arriving for several days, and police shooting at them when they tried to get out, what would you have had them do? What would you have done?
The OP was intended to focus more on the inadequacy of government assistance and the lack of personal preparations than on the traits any of us like or dislike about particular groups.
But I think it does raise the important point that in ANY large scale disaster the old, poor and sick are going to suffer the most. Unfortunately, that is something that people will have to get used to seeing if times get hard everywhere. _________________
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
I've learned that Katrina was the only REAL justified price spike since i've been watching oil prices.Everything else has been imagined or way overblown.Iran's not gonna cut of oil shipments and doom it's already weak economy,Turkey is not gonna go into Iraq and take over their oil industry.Nigeria is not gonna fall into complete chaos,we wouldn't let it happen.Today,if someone farts on an oil rig the price of oil goes up.It's just a fantastic way to make boatloads of cash. _________________ Gimme some demand destruction.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
Yeah, sure we can keep Nigeria under control..... That would only take about 200,000 more Marines. The only thing keeping Turkey out of Iraq is our presence. They'd like nothing better than to roll over Kurdistan/Iraq and take their oil...
Last I checked it wasn't farts driving oil up, it was lack of supply and increase in demand from the developed world as well as ever increasing demand from Chindia. The bidding war is moving out of the third world. Now we have to outbid China and India as well...
-G _________________ All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up!
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
Three months ago it was $85,today it's $126 and still rising.Tell me,what has happened in the last three months to justify a $41 dollar increase other than the falling dollar itself.Gimme a break,haven't you ever heard of greed? _________________ Gimme some demand destruction.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
green achers,
I was only referring to a specific incident I wrote about in an earlier post that occurred in Houston, not to NO in general. I don't intend any offense any others in NO. I won't pursue this.
BigTex,
Like I said above I won't pursue this. Sorry if I've sidetracked trying to clean it up.
As to govt inadequacy, there was little else from govt, unless it was counterproductive, was there? _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 382 Location: Mississippi Delta
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
patience wrote:
As to govt inadequacy, there was little else from govt, unless it was counterproductive, was there?
Well, it's certainly true that government came up very short at every level. Here in MS, the best thing they did was the governor ( a perfectly reprehensible individual if there ever was one) stayed on the radio as the storm was coming in and did a lot to urge people who could to evacuate, and reassured us that the National Guard was standing by to reach the scene as soon as possible. There wasn't a whole lot of follow-up or anything, but it probably got a lot of people out of harm's way and prevented some panicking.
The federal response, when it finally came, was almost comedy. There were military vehicles rumbling through the neighborhoods giving away MRE's and Forest Service folks giving bleach away, but that was about it for a while. Later, FEMA and SBA showed up and acted like they were going to give everyone a lot of money. The practically forced about a thousand on me for my evacuation. After that, those who had few other resources, or who were willing to stretch the truth a lot (most I saw were very white) were able to get some pretty sizable grants for rebuilding. So now life is returning to normal in the old flood zone, thanks to all of that generous government cash. If the odds stay about the same, there'll be another generation in there before the next one washes it all away again, and then everyone will be surprised and beg the government for help again... _________________ WWJD? What would Joel Salatin do?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
Have a friend who worked on a Docu on the "clean up" down in NO.....and what he told me was pretty yucky, in short...we're Fark. Period. _________________ President Bush: “There’s no question about it. Wall Street got drunk—that’s one of the reasons I asked you to turn off the TV cameras. It got drunk, and now it’s got a hangover."
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
I think we have to remember the old, the poor and the sick. For instance, a big goof up in New Orleans was to park their school buses on the Friday before the big one was coming, instead of evacuating the worst cases out of town. They were not certain the city was going to weather the storm. The governor should have ordered gyms and auditoriums and arenas opened ouotside of New Orleans area for refugees before the weekend.
They also lost a lot of good school buses by this stupidity, not just people.
Also, I think it shows that families have to stick together in an emergency.
And, all people, they should make a plan for themselves. A lot did not, even many healthy and able bodied people seemed pretty much clued out on the risks they were takling. Now, how can anybody be like that, if you live in a place like New Orleans, where flooding, extreme flooding, can be considered an expected risk. Yet, I heard a girl complaining, after losing her boyfriend - "nobody came to warn us!" Duhhh! If you even turned on your portable radio you'd have realized the horror show unfolding with many hours left to walk out of harm's way.
I was surprised to see how Cuba seemed more organized at its evacuation than the people of Louisiana were. They used all kinds of buses and the troops were all in position to assist - before and after. Yet, Cuba does not have the a big scale emergency force, like FEMA. Even, though it is poor and Communist, unlike other American states, Cuba seemed to have an effective organization and a plan.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
Well if anything it reenforced the notion that the elite want blacks eliminated from the face of the earth! _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: What Did YOU Learn From Hurricane Katrina?
mmasters wrote:
Well if anything it reenforced the notion that the elite want blacks eliminated from the face of the earth!
You know, a lot of people deride Americans for the racial attitudes. But, I find that most everybody accepts blacks as their equal if they observe the social norms, like speaking with normal grammar and volume, putting in a consistent work effort and attendance and taking care of themselves and their families. Its the fringe group, who seem to heavily populate the "ghetto" like environments, who give the blacks a bad name, with their careless attitudes to taking care of themselves and their families and their property.
I think that is true everywhere. I'd bet that successful black people, like Barrack Obama or Condoleezza Rice would agree that much of the Afro-American culture, rooted in the ghetto, has major deficiencies, things that impair the achievement of socially desirable objectives for blacks. When I hear Condoleezza or Barack speak, I don't think, hey, that's a colored person, I just think of their message ands their purpose.
Some may think that the U.S. federal government would have reacted much quicker if a substantial white city, say Seattle, was threatened with a major flood. But, who can say for sure?
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That would only take about 200,000 more Marines. The only thing keeping Turkey out of Iraq is our presence. They'd like nothing better than to roll over Kurdistan/Iraq and take their oil...
