"When in the height heaven was not named,
And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,
And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both
Their waters were mingled together,
And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
When of the gods none had been called into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;
Then were created the gods in the midst of heaven" _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
My study bible has alot of interesting features in it. It is a version called The Open Bible NAS version. One of the Master study outlines is
God's Plan of Salvation
1. It is a fact that God loves you.
'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.' John 3:16
2. It is a fact that you are a sinner.
'for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God' Romans 3:23
3. It is a fact that you are now dead in sin.
'the wages of sin is death' Romans 6:23
4. It is a fact that Christ died for you.
'for while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.' Romans 5:6
5. It is a fact that you can be saved by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
'and after he brought them out [the Philippian Jailer], he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household." Acts 16:30,31
6. It is a fact that you can be saved and know it.
'The one who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness that God has borne concerning His Son. And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.'
1 John 5:10-13
Knowing these things, if in fact he Spirit of God has shown you that they are true, you can start a new life with God by simply praying and asking Him. Forsake everything the Bible calls sin and embrace Jesus as Lord and Savior.
A prayer like this perhaps,
Lord Jesus,
You have convicted me of my sin. I know that the wages of sin is death and I see that I have been dead to you for a very long time. I know that you died to pay the price for my sins, so that hearing this message and believing I can reviece from you a clean slate in heaven and eternal life. Please forgive me of my sins, I turn from that old life now by the power of your Spirit. Come into my heart and be the Savior and Lord of my life.
Amen
Once we have been born again (and that is a work of the Holy Spirit accompanying the truths and actions I have just discussed), we belong to God. We recieve the Holy Spirit who makes us alive unto God. Then the last point in the study makes sense to us.
7. It is a fact that you are now a child of God and you are to obey Him.
"We must obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29
If by God's grace anyone reads this and is convicted and prays that prayer, stand together with me in saying "We must obey God rather than men."
Welcome brothers and sisters to the church of the firstborn!
'For you have not come to a mountain that may be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sounds of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word should be spoken to them. For they could not bear the command "If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned."
'But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, and the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.'
Lord strengthen us for what lies ahead. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
I am surprised at how many people seem to be tracking the thread, hundreds every day. I am thankful to God for the chance to do anything that is redeemable. The Lord knows I have wasted plenty of time following my own ways.
The message of the gospel is precious to me. Never have I found a truer friend than Jesus, who is humble, whose yoke is easy, whose burden is light.
May God be glorified. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 3966 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
I am surprised at how many people seem to be tracking the thread, hundreds every day. I am thankful to God for the chance to do anything that is redeemable. The Lord knows I have wasted plenty of time following my own ways.
The message of the gospel is precious to me. Never have I found a truer friend than Jesus, who is humble, whose yoke is easy, whose burden is light.
May God be glorified.
Tell us about the End times. The Book of Revelation.
Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1162 Location: Central NC
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
I am surprised at how many people seem to be tracking the thread, hundreds every day. I am thankful to God for the chance to do anything that is redeemable. The Lord knows I have wasted plenty of time following my own ways.
The message of the gospel is precious to me. Never have I found a truer friend than Jesus, who is humble, whose yoke is easy, whose burden is light.
May God be glorified.
Gandalf,
In your mind what kind of fruit is this thread producing? Why do you think the thread is getting so many views?
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 3966 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Homesteader wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
I am surprised at how many people seem to be tracking the thread, hundreds every day. I am thankful to God for the chance to do anything that is redeemable. The Lord knows I have wasted plenty of time following my own ways.
The message of the gospel is precious to me. Never have I found a truer friend than Jesus, who is humble, whose yoke is easy, whose burden is light.
May God be glorified.
Gandalf,
In your mind what kind of fruit is this thread producing? Why do you think the thread is getting so many views?
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Homesteader wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
I am surprised at how many people seem to be tracking the thread, hundreds every day. I am thankful to God for the chance to do anything that is redeemable. The Lord knows I have wasted plenty of time following my own ways.
The message of the gospel is precious to me. Never have I found a truer friend than Jesus, who is humble, whose yoke is easy, whose burden is light.
May God be glorified.
Gandalf,
In your mind what kind of fruit is this thread producing? Why do you think the thread is getting so many views?
I've been around the block enough times not to presume the why. I just know this.
"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return there without watering the earth, and making it bear and sprout, and furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; So shall My word be which goes forth from my mouth; It shall not return to Me empty, without accomplishing what I desire, and without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it."
Isaiah 55:10-11
I'm being obedient. God is in charge of results. I do know that the thread is an encouragement to many who know me. My prayer would be that we might get a group of faithful ministers here who realize who important the message can be here. We fully expect that those in the world will think in worldly terms. As I said, for a Christian life is about being obedient. It's not about me, it is about those whom, the Lord will call.
I have considered hearing from clueless, and POAlex, and AlwaysThere, to be fruit. I have been glad to see everyone that comes in here and shares their opinions, although I have not ageed with them all and I certainly have not appreciated the way in which some things have been shared. If nothing else it was edifiying to me to hear from other Christians. But I do believe that the word is not preached in vain. There is fruit. Even in a secular way I can argue that. Not to mention that God's ways are higher than our ways so, again we are back into the realm of obedience.
'but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.'
1Peter 3:15,16
That sums up alot about Christianity from a personal perspective pretty well.
View Christ with reverence, in your heart, He is present in the hearts of those who believe. Be ready to share and say why you have that hope, usually involving Scripture but not always. Share with gentleness a and reverence (this is much easier to speak about than to do, but with Christ all things are possible.) Keep a good conscience. That last one means think about what you are about to do and the consquences of it, do not approve of what is wrong but only what is right, seek to know what is right and to do it. This pleases God. I can tell you from experience that there are consequences to letting your guard down and not keeping a good conscience. God is more powerful than out mistakes and His Spirit will help us get on beyond certain mistakes, but there are people in the world who cannot tolerate an imperfect Christian. Not realizing that to pursue Christ requires the greatest sacrifice anyone could make for the greatest reward that any human could recieve, they judge very harshly the sins of others which seem apparent and very lightly their own sins which remain hidden.
Returning to fruit, before we allow anyone to assess that we must ask God's opinion, and He will not completely answer that question until the Bema Seat.
The best answer to your question then is that most of the fruit of this thread will not be apparent now. The Christians who come through here preach as they feel compelled and the quality of each ones work will be evident for the Day will reveal it. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 3966 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
Homesteader wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
I am surprised at how many people seem to be tracking the thread, hundreds every day. I am thankful to God for the chance to do anything that is redeemable. The Lord knows I have wasted plenty of time following my own ways.
The message of the gospel is precious to me. Never have I found a truer friend than Jesus, who is humble, whose yoke is easy, whose burden is light.
May God be glorified.
Gandalf,
In your mind what kind of fruit is this thread producing? Why do you think the thread is getting so many views?
I've been around the block enough times not to presume the why. I just know this.
"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return there without watering the earth, and making it bear and sprout, and furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater; So shall My word be which goes forth from my mouth; It shall not return to Me empty, without accomplishing what I desire, and without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it."
Isaiah 55:10-11
I'm being obedient. God is in charge of results. I do know that the thread is an encouragement to many who know me. My prayer would be that we might get a group of faithful ministers here who realize who important the message can be here. We fully expect that those in the world will think in worldly terms. As I said, for a Christian life is about being obedient. It's not about me, it is about those whom, the Lord will call.
I have considered hearing from clueless, and POAlex, and AlwaysThere, to be fruit. I have been glad to see everyone that comes in here and shares their opinions, although I have not ageed with them all and I certainly have not appreciated the way in which some things have been shared. If nothing else it was edifiying to me to hear from other Christians. But I do believe that the word is not preached in vain. There is fruit. Even in a secular way I can argue that. Not to mention that God's ways are higher than our ways so, again we are back into the realm of obedience.
'but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.'
1Peter 3:15,16
That sums up alot about Christianity from a personal perspective pretty well.
View Christ with reverence, in your heart, He is present in the hearts of those who believe. Be ready to share and say why you have that hope, usually involving Scripture but not always. Share with gentleness a and reverence (this is much easier to speak about than to do, but with Christ all things are possible.) Keep a good conscience. That last one means think about what you are about to do and the consquences of it, do not approve of what is wrong but only what is right, seek to know what is right and to do it. This pleases God. I can tell you from experience that there are consequences to letting your guard down and not keeping a good conscience. God is more powerful than out mistakes and His Spirit will help us get on beyond certain mistakes, but there are people in the world who cannot tolerate an imperfect Christian. Not realizing that to pursue Christ requires the greatest sacrifice anyone could make for the greatest reward that any human could recieve, they judge very harshly the sins of others which seem apparent and very lightly their own sins which remain hidden.
Returning to fruit, before we allow anyone to assess that we must ask God's opinion, and He will not completely answer that question until the Bema Seat.
The best answer to your question then is that most of the fruit of this thread will not be apparent now. The Christians who come through here preach as they feel compelled and the quality of each ones work will be evident for the Day will reveal it.
Dude, quit beating your chest and start telling us about the end times.
The Book of Revelation.
You understand what the Bible say's, so tell us, pleaze......
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
vision-master wrote:
Gandalf_the_White wrote:
I am surprised at how many people seem to be tracking the thread, hundreds every day. I am thankful to God for the chance to do anything that is redeemable. The Lord knows I have wasted plenty of time following my own ways.
The message of the gospel is precious to me. Never have I found a truer friend than Jesus, who is humble, whose yoke is easy, whose burden is light.
May God be glorified.
Tell us about the End times. The Book of Revelation.
I love the Book of Revelation.
'Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.'
Revelation 22:14,15
It is also the only book in the Bible to make a promise like this.
'I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.'
Revelation 22:18,19
That verse all by itself makes Revelation a very important book for Christians. Sadly it does not get it's proper treatment in most churches. I have even known pastors who tell some people not to even read Revelation. that would seem to me to fall under the curse of Revelation 22:18,19. I guess alot of folks don't see any need to fear God that way. What a blessing it is to fear the Lord in the right way, the changes it brings are eternal.
There are alot of really good sermons that can start and end with Revelation. I'll pray about it for a while though. I don't want my enthusiasm to get the best of me.
God bless. _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
vision-master wrote:
I mean, are we in the final days? I used to work with a Jehovah that had the Bible memorized. He said we are the final generation.
Which part exactly did he have memorized? All of it?
I worked with a Jehovah's Witness once. Nice guy, but when he found out I was an evangelical he actually started preaching to me everyday.
'Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.'
Revelation 22:15
Let's play a little Bible Jeopardy. The question is
It's the reasons some CIA employees cannot go to heaven?
Answer: Revelation 22:15, it is their job to lie.
Sadly many Americans have also become spies not against the likes of Chavez and Putin, but against the likes of Johnson and Jones. These American citizens have begun living the lie of the war on terror and spying on their neighbors.
My prayer is that God would pull the shade on this shady deal and let it leak out just enough so that the American church wakes up and understands. Patriotism and Christianity are not the same thing unequivocably. The church has been sold a bill of goods. The people in power do not care about the Church as much as they care about power.
'Nine rings were gifted to the race of men, who above all else desire power.' Galadriel LOTR
I will come back later and start a study on Revelation and eventualy get to an assessment of where we might be on a prophetic timeline.
I would love to meet anyone who has the Bible memorized. I'm pretty sure that would be true but then I suspect Satan also knows every jot and tittle.
'Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.'
Jesus _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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