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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
the_sword wrote:
Your asking us to believe that the terrorist group Hezbollah who were started, funded, trained, and that has been armed by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is acting independent of Iran?
That's a joke.
No one's asking you to belive anything. Instead, lets investigate and analyze what we currently know.
Your suggestion that those who started Hezbollah 20+ years ago still control it is facile.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Taghayee wrote:
You indeed are talking out of your ass. Who is General Aoun? Whats his religious background? Who forms the opposition?
Siniora is a US installed puppet and everyone knows it. Nasrullah never wants to become the PM or the president. He is the leader of the resistance. The only resistance in teh Arab world that liberated their land from the zionist occupiers and made it possible for those that they represent to live with honor and dignity unlike the Palestinians. According to Haaretz, Nasrullah is the most popular leader in the entire freakin Middle East. He is an honest man with clear goals. What makes him popular, even among Israelis, is that he has never lied like other politicians in the region and has delivered whatever he has promised.
Hysterical stuff. It is so clearly and demonstratably factualy wrong.
Both Anwar Sadat and Hamas 'liberated' land from the 'zionist' (now there is a loaded word that speaks volumes) occupiers. Sadat got the Sinai back of off Israel with the Camp David Peace Agreement but before that had temporarily liberated parts of it during the Yom Kippur war where he mounted a highly sucessful campaign until the tanks went from under the cover of there SAM batteries and the IAF cut them to pieces. On the back of this up to his death he was widely fated in Egyptian society as the 'hero of the crossing'.
Hamas effectively forced the IDF and Israeli settlers out of the Gazza strip.
These facts can be checked on CNN
And as for your question about Micahel Auon. He is one of the most well known personalities in Lebanese politics. If you were as on top of Lebanese politics as you claim you may have heard of him. Together with the Hariris, Jambalats and Nassrallah one of the names most often in the news about Lebanon over the past decade or so.
Taghayee wrote:
Siniora is a US installed puppet and everyone knows it.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Cid,
"They were not 'created' by them."
They founders were followers of Ayatollah Khomeini with funding, training, and arming from the Iranian (Islamic) revolutionary guard. That's makes them "created" by Iran.
"There is no evidence for Iranian involvement in the happenings of the last couple days."
If you have to say "days", I think you've lost the argument. Iran and Hezbollah are created from the same dysfunctional ideology called Islam, and want the same outcome... namely and Islamic state and the destruction of Israel.
And stop trying to blame Bush for EVERYTHING. Too many, muslims in the middle east walk specifically, around mentally child-like because of their religion, and the Imams who preach it. But I'm not sure what else to expect from a religion whose creator (Mohammad) was said to hear GODs voice from an invisible man (voice) in a cave then went on to war, rob, and have sex with a children (Aisha). That's a great example!!!! and remember Muslims should do as the so-called prophet did.. That's why in Iran, the Hezbollah supporting regime, allows 50 year old men to marry 11 year old children.
BTW: I flat out don't care what the "Islamic" world thinks.... In fact, I think Islamic and thinking is an oxymoron!!!
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Hezbollah was founded by Lebanese Shia in 1982 to resist the invasion by Israel. Only later did they recieve funding and support from Syria and Iran. Not unlike the way the US funds and supports Israel.
You know that in the year 1978, the Israelis invaded South Lebanon, and the UN Security Council issued or passed the Resolution 425. They requested that the Israeli forces immediately withdraw from South Lebanon, and the Israelis did not. On the contrary, in the year 1982, they invaded more Lebanese territory. They even occupied the capital, Beirut. Mr. Sharon was the defense minister then.
Between 1978, 1982, up ’til the year 2000, the international community did nothing to help the Israeli occupation forces out of Lebanon, nor did it, meaning the international community, do anything to prevent these aggressions on Lebanon. There was a resolution called 425, but it was put on the shelf. We, as Lebanese, were left to face our fate.
Lebanon is a small country, weak, an army with very humble capabilities. What is first is that the people is torn as a result of the civil war, while facing the strongest army in the Middle East, meaning the Israeli Army. Not only the international community, specifically the U.S. administration, did nothing, there’s also the Arab League, the OIC, Organization of Islamic Countries, nobody did anything.
We are a group of Lebanese youth. We took the decision that we needed to confront and resist the occupation. The resistance which we have established, when we started with it, I was—our ages, he’s talking about the ages of the young who took part in this—I was 22 years old then. The oldest among us was 27 years old, because those who were over 30 then believed that it was impossible to defeat Israel. They viewed themselves as sage, as wise people, and they viewed us or considered us as the crazy youth.
He pointed to an American scheme to eliminate Hezbollah and disarm it after they found out that they couldn't achieve this goal through internal hands inside Lebanon which provided an Arab cover for those schemes, explaining that Hezbollah has always engaged in its wars for the higher interests of Lebanon, reminding of the operations that were executed by Hezbollah in this context, denying reports saying that Hezbollah executed operations to serve Iranian and Syrian goals.
Nasrallah pointed out that Hezbollah is the largest popular wing and the largest political wing and the largest military force and Hezbollah never used these factors for the interests of the party.
Contrary to western media propaganda, certain countries, and all who they touch, are not evil just because Bush says so.
They rest of the world has normal relations with Syria and Iran just like any other country.
As a matter of fact, Switzerland just told the Bush Administration that their relations with Iran was none of their damn business.
Sword,
Sorry to hear about your mental impairment. We'll try to ignore the spitting and drooling.
Almost forgot.
Dolormin,
Taghayee was pointing out that Aoun, leader of a Christian faction, had allied with Hezbollah, as counter-argument to your statement that Hezbollah had no support among Christians. Slow on picking up that connection or just ignoring it? _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Cid_Yama wrote:
Taghayee was pointing out that Aoun, leader of a Christian faction, had allied with Hezbollah, as counter-argument to your statement that Hezbollah had no support among Christians. Slow on picking up that connection or just ignoring it?
Well who could have made that one hell of a lot clearer than it was written if thats what he meant. I shall await there responce with baited breath.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Cid_Yama wrote:
Nasrallah pointed out that Hezbollah is the largest popular wing and the largest political wing and the largest military force and Hezbollah never used these factors for the interests of the party.
He is talking bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Lebanon
Hezb'Allah only recieved 14 seats in the last election the same as Alam and less than the PSP with 16, there block Resistance and Development has 35 seats while the governing block has 72.
'Largest political wing' of what?
What the hell is it with all the pro Hezb'Allah nonesence round here??? Now I can accept people think the IDFs has behaved in an extreamly nasty fashion clearly often violating international law but why does this mean people feel they have to lick the arses of this bunch of knobs? (Hezb'Allah that is?)
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Cid_Yama wrote:
Disclaimer: I am not an advocate of Hezbollah. My aim is to provide a non-western media perspective of geopolitical events happening in the world.
The point is, there is more to what is going on than is presented in the extremely propagandized western media. If that is your only source, you haven't a clue what is going on in the world or why.
What is most disturbing is that TPTB feel it is perfectly alright to use supposedly 'news' sources to indoctrinate their populations.
Democracy requires an informed, free thinking, population.
Otherwise, all you have is a brainwashed fascist state. _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Cid,
Hezbollah has the stated goals of establishing an Islamic (read: moronic state) and the destruction of Israel.
Are you Muslim? Because they are the only people I know who are confused enough to claim in public that Hezbollah is a defensive organization! Hezbollah's stated goals include establishing an Islamic state and the destruction of Israel.
These cult members are the people you compare to a liberalized democracy? To say that Hezbollah has the most popular support is to say the majority of the people belong to a cult and cannot think! or at least free thought would get them killed by other members of the sick cult!
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
Cid wrote:
Quote:
The point is, there is more to what is going on than is presented in the extremely propagandized western media. If that is your only source, you haven't a clue what is going on in the world or why.
What is most disturbing is that TPTB feel it is perfectly alright to use supposedly 'news' sources to indoctrinate their populations.
Democracy requires an informed, free thinking, population.
Otherwise, all you have is a brainwashed fascist state.
Cid, I appreciate what you are trying to say, but I think that Nazi
Master Goering said it best:
Quote:
“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
the_sword wrote:
Cid,
Hezbollah has the stated goals of establishing an Islamic (read: moronic state) and the destruction of Israel.
Are you Muslim? Because they are the only people I know who are confused enough to claim in public that Hezbollah is a defensive organization! Hezbollah's stated goals include establishing an Islamic state and the destruction of Israel.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
the_sword wrote:
Cid,
Hezbollah has the stated goals of establishing an Islamic (read: moronic state) and the destruction of Israel.
Are you Muslim? Because they are the only people I know who are confused enough to claim in public that Hezbollah is a defensive organization! Hezbollah's stated goals include establishing an Islamic state and the destruction of Israel.
These cult members are the people you compare to a liberalized democracy? To say that Hezbollah has the most popular support is to say the majority of the people belong to a cult and cannot think! or at least free thought would get them killed by other members of the sick cult!
I guess you need to get out more then, or at least read some foreign press, no one denies that Hezbollah is a muslim organization but the demonization of anything against US or Israel is clearly a biased position.
Have a look at this American Free Press, or regarding the support of lebanon to Hezbollah:
Quote:
Khoury's victory is a reflection of the popularity of his patron, Michel Aoun, a charismatic and enigmatic former general who heads the country's largest Christian political party, the Free Patriotic Movement. Aoun's popularity confounds any attempt to read Lebanon as a battlefield in a "clash of civilizations," because he and his party are openly allied with Hizballah, the Iran-backed Shi'ite Muslim political party and anti-Israeli militia that leads the opposition.
What could Lebanese Christians possibly have in common with Hizballah, the Islamist resistance movement? Perhaps it is the fact that Aoun's Christian supporters and Hizballah's rank and file are motivated by a shared animus towards Lebanon's political elite, a handful of families such as the Gemayel, whose progeny resurface in government after government. In fact, many of the supporters of the current government are civil war-era militia leaders, who accommodated themselves rather nicely to the years of Syrian occupation, but who have now emerged wearing business suits and talking U.S.-friendly language about democracy and independence.
from here and another article here
Hezbollah is not a charity organization, is a militia, and its sin is that it was very successful at driving away the IDF in 2006. To give an opinon from the politics of Lebanon from the point of view of the American right-wing is to debase an interesting debate like this. _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: The Reality of Lebanon
expat,
"no one denies that Hezbollah is a muslim organization"
That type of understatement is propaganda. Hezbollah, isn't just a "muslim organization", IT IS A CULT! It has been financed, trained and obtained weapons from Iran in order to establish an Islamic (cult) state in Lebanon.
A state which will try to implement rules/laws set down by a mad man 1400 years ago. This type of ideology cannot be reasoned with as it is insane at it's core. This is the 21st century for pete's sake.
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