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vampyregirl
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 Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: Shale oil |
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| My prediction is that commercial production will begin in 2011. |
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baha
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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I predict it will never happen. I lived in CO for many years and people there do not allow environmental destruction. Even if it does start, the first duck to be killed in a toxic swamp will end the whole thing. And water there is like gold. If the Green River runs dry the state will revolt. And the Colorado river waters the entire southwest.
Of course, I personnally think it's a stupid idea. Better to cover the eastern plains with windmills.
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Ivan_M
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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Why would you post this non-information? Where is the reference, analysis, links, news, weight, gravitas, substantiation? You must assume your opinion has value because the content does not.
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vampyregirl
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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| My prediction is based on progress reports from Colorado. That is all i can say. |
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SILENTTODD
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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What's the saying? "Shale oil , the fuel of the future, and always will be".
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pstarr
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | | My prediction is based on progress reports from Colorado. That is all i can say. |
That is all you can say? Are you a mute? Do you have writer's block or tunnel carpal syndrome. Lose you keyboard? Somebody is a bit unhinged around here 
There is no known earthly technology that will convert this black gunk into liquid fuel. Thhe American Suburban Drive-By lifestyle is ending and you and everyone else needs to accept that before we terminally crap up our planetary nest.
It really blows to be shale oil. It has a negative energy return.
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TheDude
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | | My prediction is that commercial production will begin in 2011. |
Shale oil has been in production for decades, mostly in Estonia.
NIMBYs and simple logistics will hold up any mass exploitation of the Green River formation, probably forever. Maybe in a low-energy environment they could export it to other parts of the country for refinement if oil were an extremely high value commodity, but in that case we'd be more than content with low output stripper wells.
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vampyregirl
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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Pstarr why don't you tell me all you know about the In Situ process and how it converts the kerogen into light hydrocarbon liquid.
At what tempature are the rocks heated and how long does it take for the kerogen to be transformed into light hydrocarbon liquid?
Can you tell me if the freeze wall issue has been resolved yet?
What is the main enviromental concern regarding In Situ?
I already know the answers the answers to these questions, i want to test your knowledge since you claim to know more than me.
Black gunk can't be transformed into liquid fuel eh, you said the same thing about the oil sands remember. you were wrong then and you are wrong now.
Commercial production begins in 2011. This i am certain |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | | Pstarr why don't you tell me all you know about the In Situ process and how it converts the kerogen into light hydrocarbon liquid. |
I have a question for you first.
Does your test and my success (or failure) prove the viability of this ridiculous scam? Answer: I don't think so.  But here goes . . .
Various in situ process (including the recent so-called heel THAI – Toe-to-heel air injection ) are nothing more than investor gimmicks and have yet to run commercially at a profit.
| vampyregirl wrote: | | At what tempature are the rocks heated and how long does it take for the kerogen to be transformed into light hydrocarbon liquid? |
Do you really believe your wiki education entitles you to a Professorship of Non-Alternatives? I don't think so.
| vampyregirl wrote: | | Can you tell me if the freeze wall issue has been resolved yet? What is the main enviromental concern regarding In Situ? |
The freeze wall is the dumbest, most energy intensive way of driving the SUV to the Target? Does that answer your question?
| vampyregirl wrote: | | I already know the answers the answers to these questions, i want to test your knowledge since you claim to know more than me. |
ain't you a smart Goth
| vampyregirl wrote: | | Black gunk can't be transformed into liquid fuel eh, you said the same thing about the oil sands remember. you were wrong then and you are wrong now. Commercial production begins in 2011. This i am certain |
Anyone making money on the product?
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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| pstarr wrote: | | Various in situ process (including the recent so-called heel THAI – Toe-to-heel air injection ) are nothing more than investor gimmicks and have yet to run commercially at a profit. |
That's like saying the Wright Brother's airplane was merely an investment gimmick and had yet to run commercially at a profit. 
Or that Henry Ford's first car was merely an investment gimmick and had yet to run commercially at a profit.
Or that offshore drilling was merely an investment gimmick and had yet to run commercially at a profit.
Or that Alexander Graham Bell's telephone was merely an investment gimmick and had yet to run commercially at a profit.
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pstarr
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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You are not really comparing THAI to the Wright Brothers are you?
Laughable.
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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| pstarr wrote: | | You are not really comparing THAI to the Wright Brothers are you? |
Yes I am. At their beginning, both were/are cutting edge technologies that had recently been invented but had not been implemented on a commercial scale.
Just because something is new and has not been implemented on a widespread scale, does not mean it will never be so.
At one point in time, the internet was a newly-invented and untested technology. Same with computers. Yet there you sit, actively using both.
The only thing laughable around here is your automatic rejection of any and every new technology. Using your bizarre logic, nothing new would ever get implemented on a large scale, simply by virtue of the fact that it never had been done so before. We would still be cavemen grunting our way through life, hunting down animals and picking berries and grubs, because agriculture, the wheel and anything else resembling technology would never be implemented on a large scale, simply by virtue of the fact that it never had been before.
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vampyregirl
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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The freezewall which prevents water from entering or leaving the heated zone addresses an enviromental concern. And it has been perfected. Pstarr didn't know that. Now that the water issue has been resolved there is another enviromental concern remaining but Pstarr dosen't know what it is.
As for the heating question let me give you a hint. it is the same tempature at which teflon melts.
The In Situ process dosen't work instantly but it certainly speeds up the natural process. It would take nature millions of years to convert the kerogen into light hydrocarbon liquid but the In Situ process can do it in five years time.
And the oil sands have made Alberta the richest province. The only province that is debt free. So yes someone is certainly making money from the product.
Of course there is a price to pay for the booming economy here. The cost of living is very freakin high in Alberta compared to Ontario where i'm from.
I bet Pstarr crap his pants recently when the first large scale BTL plant opened in Germany. I bet he said that was impossible to.
The doomers will never get there wish. There will never be an oil crash because we are a step ahead of it and always will be |
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Gerben
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Shale oil |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | ...freezewall ... heated zone ... The In Situ process dosen't work instantly ... the In Situ process can do it in five years time.
... There will never be an oil crash because we are a step ahead of it and always will be |
What I see here is that it will take me a lot of investment in equipment and energy for five years before I can even start pumping. Then it will take me some more time before I will finally have made a profit. If oil prices remain this high. Because my investment cost have gone up a lot lately.
Few investors are going to invest and maybe make some money in ten years or lose money if the oil prices go down to historically more normal levels. |
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