How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: Anybody heard from Pops?
Having spent most of this year in the bullseye of tornado alley, it worries me that so much of last night's damage was in his neck of the woods. I've sent a PM, but no reply yet. I guess it's possible that the power is off in his area - but I'm concerned.
I heard a statistic that we've had 720-odd tornadoes nation wide so far this year. Last year for the whole year, there were only a little more than 400. It's turning out not to be a good year for many reasons.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
No, have pm'd him..
News said there were 34 tornadoes in MO, OK and AL.
This is certainly an active spring. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
I just talked to him - their internet went down so he's on dialup and hasn't been online, but they are totally fine. He said thanks for asking. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
CarlinsDarlin wrote:
I heard a statistic that we've had 720-odd tornadoes nation wide so far this year. Last year for the whole year, there were only a little more than 400. It's turning out not to be a good year for many reasons.
Do you think this upspike in tornado activity is related to global warming?
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
seahorse wrote:
We had a tornado pass within 5 miles of us last night. I've never worried about them too much.
My husband, son and I watched a brief, weak tornado pass by about a mile south of us from the parking lot at work the other evening. It was my son's first tornado. My husband and I met via storm chasing. It's a shame when they cause deaths, injuries, and damage, but heat, floods and lightning kill more people than tornadoes:
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
DoomWarrior,
Don't know, but something's up. I don't ever remember this many tornadoes - and I've lived in AR most of my life. AR isn't technically part of "tornado alley," by definition, but I think the alleyway has shifted east this year. We've had record snowfall, record flooding, and record damage from tornadoes this year in AR. More than 20 people killed in the state due to weather, and 60-something of the 75 counties have been declared federal disaster areas at one point or another. It's been a crazy year.
Literally, almost every storm line that has come through the state this year has produced tornadoes. You're right, Shanny, tornadoes don't kill many compared to the other weather events, but they're still no fun to be in. At least not here. Out in the plains you can see them coming from a long way off. Here in the hills, you'd better hope the TV doesn't go out - because you'll never see them coming.
Kathy
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
a tornado passed withing a few blocks of my house, north FL, a couple of months ago. Took the roof off the greenhouse. the next block over it was carports tipped over. another block, big limbs down. another blocks, big-make that BIG trees down all over, some on cars, some on houses. another block, homes upside down. It was a close call to be sure. My house was destroyed by a tree falling on it 22 months ago during a brief thunderstorm, insurance company still has yet to settle with me. Depositions start in the case in a couple of weeks.
I spent 30+ years in Maine and New York, never had a tornado up there. When you hear of people saying a tornado sounds like a freight train, believe them. Sounds like a BIG ASS LOUD freight train. Other signs of impending trouble include rain, hail, and of course lots of wind.
Having a storm shelter would be prudent as climate change increases the frequency and intensity of storms. If you have supplies, the shelter doubles as a storage unit.
Good to hear Pops and his family are uninjured. Prayers for others in the area can't hurt. If his area is damaged, you can be sure he is prepared for it. Small storm events offer a dry run for serious incidents. I look forward to hearing his story and any changes in his planning as a result of the event. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
Cashmere wrote:
Quote:
Do you think this upspike in tornado activity is related to global warming?
No, because the earth has been cooling recently and is expected to cool for the next 10 years.
"``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough, eventually global warming will win.''
"``We thought a lot about the way to present this because we don't want it to be turned around in the wrong way,'' Keenlyside said. ``I hope it doesn't become a message of Exxon Mobil and other skeptics.''
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Anybody heard from Pops?
kpeavey,
We've been too close to many of the storms this year. I can relate. I second the advice about the storm shelter. We had one installed here within the first year after we moved. Only this year have I had to use it (twice in the last seven days), and in the mean time I have used part of it for storage. There's no downside, if you ask me. I don't know about everywhere, but here in AR, if the storm shelter meets FEMA requirements, you can also get a refund of part of the cost - 1/2 up to $1000, whichever is higher.
Kathy
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Glad to hear it. Thanks Shanny.
