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GoghGoner
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 Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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When the US medical journal with the widest circulation, JAMA, published this article last October I decided it was mainstream.
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eastbay
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Wow Aaron, interesting collection of unattributed quotes... well, except for the last one which will take too long to read so I can't tell if they attributed it or not.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the assorted peak oil related quotes found all over the net originated right here. I mean besides 'zombie hordes', which we all know started right here! 
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Revi
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| vision-master wrote: |
Wow, sounds like someone from this forum.
| Quote: | The real issue that McCain, Clinton and anyone truly serious about gas prices must confront is peak oil.
Peak oil theorists do not suggest that the Earth will surrender its last drop of oil anytime soon. Rather, they contend that the world's oil supply has, or soon will, hit its upper limit, and then shrink. This, the end of abundant oil, spells the end of cheap oil.
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It would be amazing to have a peak oil candidate for president. Someone who knows about the problem and is going to do something about it. I'm not holding my breath for it, though.
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| vision-master wrote: |
Wow, sounds like someone from this forum. |
It most certainly does!
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yesplease
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| FreakOil wrote: | | A lot of educated people in China get it. Having read from other posters what the average American thinks, not just about Peak Oil but environmental issues as well, I'd say people over here are a lot more clued in. However, they still believe that "they" will find a "solution." |
That's probably because they already have. Only recently have they found the problem.
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Novus
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| perdition79 wrote: | | For the past few months, even Car and Driver, an auto enthusiasts' magazine, has been mentioning oil depletion. When worshippers of petroleum acknowledge its end, I'd say that's about as mainstream as you can get. |
They have covered the Tesla Roadster recently so I would say they are thinking EVs will replace the ICE age when it comes to happy motoring. The worst they could possibly see happening is some expensive gas until we can make the switch over. Never would they consider a future without cars or where cars are relegated to the museums. |
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Micki
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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PO is definelty a more commonly used term and a lot of people seems to grasp the idea that oil supplies might struggle to keep up.
Wasn't long ago whenever I mentioned oil depletion in the office for instance I would get everyone countering with thunder horse, arctic oil, venezuela etc. Not they just seem to accept that there really is a problem out there and when I assure them shale isn't going to be the saviour they accept it. They are of course still waiting for "someone" to fix the problem, but still it is some sort of progress.
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Jack
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Has it hit mainstream yet? Barely.
Click this first
Now click this
Please reflect on the following: We are in a sports car going 120 MPH, driving at night on a winding mountain road covered in black ice. The bridge up ahead is out, and we cannot stop before we plunge to our deaths. The chasm is too broad to jump. So we crank up the music and hit the accelerator as we race toward our future.
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mos6507
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| perdition79 wrote: | | For the past few months, even Car and Driver, an auto enthusiasts' magazine, has been mentioning oil depletion. When worshippers of petroleum acknowledge its end, I'd say that's about as mainstream as you can get. |
They are only mentioning it in order to reassure their readership that the problem is too far off to worry about and can be resolved through ethanol. They just can't come to grips with the idea that the anthropomorphic growling internal combustion engine might go away. |
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FreakOil
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| yesplease wrote: | | FreakOil wrote: | | A lot of educated people in China get it. Having read from other posters what the average American thinks, not just about Peak Oil but environmental issues as well, I'd say people over here are a lot more clued in. However, they still believe that "they" will find a "solution." |
That's probably because they already have. Only recently have they found the problem. |
More than 80% of freight in China is transported by truck. Imagine trying to haul all those DVD players and whatnot to the nearest port on bicycles.
Here's a heart-stopping video clip for beer lovers: Careful, buddy
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yesplease
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| FreakOil wrote: | More than 80% of freight in China is transported by truck. Imagine trying to haul all those DVD players and whatnot to the nearest port on bicycles.
Here's a heart-stopping video clip for beer lovers: Careful, buddy |
Which takes a whopping ten percent of oil use, give or take, most of which is for moving stuff like DVD players, which aren't exactly crucial.  If we can't figure out electrified rail, something that's been around for nearly a century, and in some cases syn-fuels from whatever source, by the time oil production drops to a tenth of what it is now, we deserve what we get IMO. 
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drgoodword
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Yesterday CNN.com published a "briefing" on oil which struck me as being unusually peak oil aware, especially for a non-opinion piece.
| Quote: | Will we ever run out of oil?
All of the world's resources are finite so we will run out at some point. The big debate at the moment is about when oil production will peak -- i.e. when half of oil stocks have been used and production begins to slow.
Texan born geophysicist Dr M. King Hubbert first came up with the peak oil theory -- known as 'Hubbert's peak' -- in the 1950s, arguing that U.S. oil production would peak in the early 1970s. He was right. And since 1981, the world has been using more oil than it has been finding. |
The answer to the next question in the briefing, "So, How Much Oil Is Left?," gives more content space to ASPO than CERA.
Mainstream, indeed. |
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idiom
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Why did you have to do that? I wasn't contemplating a sliver of optimisim I swear! |
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mos6507
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| Wow. New Zealand is the most peak-oil aware according to those charts. Wonder what will become of that? That and portland oregon. |
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Jack
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | Wow. New Zealand is the most peak-oil aware according to those charts. Wonder what will become of that? That and portland oregon. |
They will seek to prepare. As peak oil hits, they will suffer less.
Those who did not prepare will observe this. And they will overwhelm those areas that prepared. Said areas will then collapse under a tidal wave of desperate humanity.
There will be overload freighters moving from Indonesia to New Zealand; refugees on foot (or in cars traveling on fumes) will go to Portland. It will not end well.
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