For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Fredrik wrote:
the human suffering caused by the war was seen as unavoidable as the bombing of strategic targets in Nazi Germany, and the war was supposed to lead to a new democratic Iraq.
Yes, killing people is alwaysnecessary and unavoidable. There always is a higher interest, something more important than their life.
Btu
_________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
BigTex wrote:
threadbear wrote:
I am trying to follow Christ's teachings and his example, and through that the bible becomes more transparent to me.
I'm doing that too!
That's awesome. Finally, someone I can have a simple conversation with.
See, to me that is a "true Christian" - a person who tries to follow Christ's teachings and his example.
'Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."' Matthew 28:18-20
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
AlwaysThere wrote:
The Child is Safe in the Arms of God, ?
I hope that you'll never have to be as safe as she was when this picture was taken.
Learn the proper weight of words.
Btu
Is any form of death better than any other ? I am not following you. Human suffering is trajic, don't get me wrong, but all are going to die. The question is, what comes after. Please remember Death is a result of Sin.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
Is any form of death better than any other ? I am not following you. Human suffering is trajic, don't get me wrong, but all are going to die. The question is, what comes after.
AT, you don't strike me as someone who has any idea what human suffering is. Don't talk about things you do not understand.
Btu _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
AlwaysThere wrote:
Is any form of death better than any other ? I am not following you. Human suffering is trajic, don't get me wrong, but all are going to die. The question is, what comes after.
AT, you don't strike me as someone who has any idea what human suffering is. Don't talk about things you do not understand.
Btu
I agree - I am very spoiled and have been given Grace and have not had to experience those things (yet, but our time may be coming). What is your point ? Even though you are condescending and have some type of personal ax to grind, I will say your message is somewhat Biblical.
Rev 18:4-8 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. (6) Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. (7) How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. (8. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AlwaysThere wrote:
I agree - I am very spoiled and have been given Grace and have not had to experience those things (yet, but our time may be coming).
How do you know that you have been given grace ?
People spend decades in penitence in monasteries asking for grace, and you are so sure that you have received it ? Isn't this sheer arrogance from your part ?
Maybe you think that grace is an empty word or a feel-good sensation or something of that sort.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
AT, you don't strike me as someone who has any idea what human suffering is. Don't talk about things you do not understand.
Let those who know teach others about Christianity.
Btu
I would suspect that very few of the Fortune 500 who are the biggest exploiters of the human race and the planet are not comprised of "Christian organizations"or people . Is that your contention friend ?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
AlwaysThere wrote:
I agree - I am very spoiled and have been given Grace and have not had to experience those things (yet, but our time may be coming).
How do you know that you have been given grace ?
People spend decades in penitence in monasteries asking for grace, and you are so sure that you have received it ? Isn't this sheer arrogance from your part ?
Maybe you think that grace is an empty word or a feel-good sensation or something of that sort.
Btu
I know because the Bible tells me so. Maybe you are wrong, have you ever considered that ?
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
AT, you really seem to be completely out of it.
Frankly I don't even think that you are Christian. You seem to have a sort of childish delusion that you are "saved" in spite of the arrogant and insensitive things you keep saying, which denote complete lack of insight into who you are and what moves you.
I recommend to you as well that you visit Athos, if they allow you to enter. You can see there what Christianity is about, if you care about truth rather than self-delusion.
You might unwittingly be serving the one you profess to hate. Did you ever consider that ?
Btu _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
AT, you really seem to be completely out of it.
Frankly I don't even think that you are Christian. You seem to have a sort of delusion that you are saved in spite of the arrogant and insensitive things you keep saying, which denote
complete lack of insight into who you are and what moves you.
I recommend to you as well that you visit Athos, if they allow you to enter. You can see there what Christianity is about, if you care about truth rather than self-delusion.
You might unwittingly be serving the one you profess to hate.
Btu
Thanks for the advice Btu - You may be wrong have you ever considered that ?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
Man, go to Athos first and then we discuss. You don't have enough experience to draw conclusions.
Btu
Thanks for the advice - But I have the Bible and the Holy Spirit guiding me. Sorry, but you are not giving me anything solid here, Friend.
Pro 3:5-7 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. (6) In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. (7) Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
I don't usually say things so clearly but in this case it's for your own good.
From the perspective of anyone who has seen better, your beliefs are somewhere between ridiculous and heretical. What you practice simply isn't Christianity, and would very likely be disapproved of by Jesus himself.
You could easily see this for yourself if you were to gain some elementary instruction in the history of the Church, for example by reading some patristic literature. Nobody who has the slightest clue about that history will ever take you and your kind seriously, except as a threat to the integrity of Christian belief.
You've been brainwashed into a simplistic and narcissistic interpretation of the bible which is not only preposterous but also profoundly blasphemous in that it trivializes the seriousness of what Jesus was talking about. Should you ever try to go visit Athos, they might stop you from entering since they smell your sort from a distance and view you as lost. But if you are young enough they might think that you deserve a chance.
No one who has ever seen what a Christian monk is like and who has spent 10 minutes close to him will ever waste his time with the likes of you, or fail to detect the profound lie and self-manipulation which informs your delusion.
It is characteristic of those who delude themselves in this manner that they reject anyone's attempt to help them see what they are doing to themselves and others, so I am afraid that continuing to interact with you would be unproductive.
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