Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
Top Ten Reactions to My New Found Concerns About Peak Oil:
10. This is just proof that you read too much.
9. Maybe you're right, but I'm sure someone higher up is working on it.
8. You worry too much.
7. What do you mean it's a bad sign that a 3000 sq. ft. house that cost $300,000 last year now costs $150,000? It's a buyers market again!
6. The powers that be would never let that happen.
5. No wonder you're depressed, look at the books you're reading: Crossing the Rubicon, Straw Dogs, Business Ethics and Society, Politics and the Environment, The Coming Economic Collapse, The Party's Over... Maybe we should go see a movie or something and leave the books alone for a while.
4. How could oil "Peak" I've heard it is a renewable resource or something? It regenerates over time, doesn't it?
3. If we just used American oil instead of Middle Eastern oil--there wouldn't be a problem right now.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
BigTex wrote:
"Oh yeah, I know, we've been through all this before in the 1970s."
Yeah I get that one a lot..... I follow it with - Yes, just like the 70's only it won't get better this time because there isn't anywhere else to import from. And from there it continues to decline. Forever.
btw Love the new avatar Tex!
-G _________________ All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up!
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 3897 Location: Graceland
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
gnm wrote:
BigTex wrote:
"Oh yeah, I know, we've been through all this before in the 1970s."
Yeah I get that one a lot..... I follow it with - Yes, just like the 70's only it won't get better this time because there isn't anywhere else to import from. And from there it continues to decline. Forever.
btw Love the new avatar Tex!
-G
"Well maybe if you put as much effort into something more productive than peak oil, the world might look a little different to you."
***
Prairie Mule gave me the new avatar to make up for missing my birthday 37 consecutive times. _________________ Our window of opportunity is slowly closing...at the same time, it probably requires a spiral of adversity. In other words, things have to get worse before they can get better.
-M. King Hubbert, 1983
Joined: Apr 16, 2008 Posts: 40 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
I commonly get the reaction that mankind will simply invent or dicover a new energy source to replace oil, I've since learnt on hearing that reaction its time to drop the discussion because I'll just piss them off. Most people don't want to know, its just another thing to make their life difficult. _________________ "I'm here to fight for truth, and justice, and the American way" - Superman
Moped
Joined: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 214 Location: No. Calif.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
My first reaction when confronted with a peak oil graph was to assume that the 30 percent decline point would be the pinch as I assume that I could make due with 30% less of everything (except for money of course, the area where American's are quintessencially screwed)!
I came up with about 2023 when TSHTF but the PO'er said try wrapping your head around 2013 or so! I've been thinking about that ever since, because the big question in all of our minds is the WHEN (not of PO, but of TSH'ingTF)?
The commonest reaction I get from people that have already been exposed to some concepts of PO is that this will be a problem only for our CHILDREN to deal with, the same way they deal with climate change issues. It is interesting how the future of our children is SO DISCOUNTED nowadays, as if that isn't the most important thing.
Anyway, my wife said she had enough of my peak oil infatuation and she told me what's she thinks: Stop worrying about something that only our children will have to deal with!
At that moment, I got fed up with her and told her what I think: I said that's a myth (basically a purposeful lie to get us to not think too closely about it).
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
no offense, but what "aware", "noble" and "responsible" wife to have children with!
...I'm seriously considering not having offspring because of how depressed I will feel if because of my actions some humans have to suffer so much... no better wait after a die-off to have offspring; if it's in a brand new, more spiritual civilization. _________________ anagami.net
Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
zensui wrote:
no offense, but what "aware", "noble" and "responsible" wife to have children with!
...I'm seriously considering not having offspring because of how depressed I will feel if because of my actions some humans have to suffer so much... no better wait after a die-off to have offspring; if it's in a brand new, more spiritual civilization.
The dieoff could grind on for decades or centuries and probably will. _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
Hi everyone, it's my first time posting here. I read about Peak Oil about a year ago, and have discussed it with many people as well as blogging about it. My experience has been much the same. "I'm sure the government has a plan," "We'll find more oil" etc... All I can say is there will be a lot of people in for a rude awaking!
Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
scottyboyswa wrote:
Hi everyone, it's my first time posting here. I read about Peak Oil about a year ago, and have discussed it with many people as well as blogging about it. My experience has been much the same. "I'm sure the government has a plan," "We'll find more oil" etc... All I can say is there will be a lot of people in for a rude awaking!
Welcome aboard. It's beyond me why anyone would expect the government to come up with something. The people that brought us Vietnam and Iraq are going to solve fossil fuel depletion? What the ...
As far as finding more oil, we'll find plenty more, but it won't make up for declines at other fields. It's the rate of daily extraction that matters, and that's headed down, if not now, then soon. _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 3897 Location: Graceland
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
scottyboyswa wrote:
Hi everyone, it's my first time posting here. I read about Peak Oil about a year ago, and have discussed it with many people as well as blogging about it. My experience has been much the same. "I'm sure the government has a plan," "We'll find more oil" etc... All I can say is there will be a lot of people in for a rude awaking!
Welcome scottboyswa.
There is a fruit and cheese tray near the entrance for newbies.
Enjoy! _________________ Our window of opportunity is slowly closing...at the same time, it probably requires a spiral of adversity. In other words, things have to get worse before they can get better.
-M. King Hubbert, 1983
Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
jedinvest wrote:
The commonest reaction I get from people that have already been exposed to some concepts of PO is that this will be a problem only for our CHILDREN to deal with, the same way they deal with climate change issues. It is interesting how the future of our children is SO DISCOUNTED nowadays, as if that isn't the most important thing.
Anyway, my wife said she had enough of my peak oil infatuation and she told me what's she thinks: Stop worrying about something that only our children will have to deal with!
That is so horribly sad to me. I have 2 children(we will not be having more) and I will be honest & say the only reason I'm worried about PO is because of my children. I don't want them to suffer or have to deal with this. What happened to people wanting their children to have a better future than themselves? I know I sure as hell do.
Joined: Jun 29, 2008 Posts: 65 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA / San Jose, CA
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
Ya know, it really has to do with your "selling skills" and the ability to sell people on ideas.
I tend to tell too many people, or try to... I guess I want to save everyone I love...
Fact is, currently, Im feeling as if Im the looney. I converted my dad and he agrees but he doesnt understand the magnitude of the situation. Getting the "technology will always save us" out of the heads of people embedded in the system seems damn near impossible.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
ReducedToZero wrote:
Ya know, it really has to do with your "selling skills" and the ability to sell people on ideas.
That's right. The problem is there is no commission to be made on convincing people that peak oil is a big problem.
The reason that I have mostly given up on a lot of real world discussions with people about peak oil is that I have become so conversant with all of the arguments for and against the peak oil thesis that it's just not fun for me to shred any argument that someone comes up with for what "they" are going to do, or what the government could do if it wanted to, or what technology will do for us at some point in the future.
It feels like playing Whac-A-Mole with a jackhammer.
There are, of course, more rigorous discussions to be had about the various peak oil scenarios, but most people aren't interested enough to spend the time to really get up to speed on the issues (and when they do, they tend to turn doomer), so you wind up talking to people who don't know that much about the issue, but still believe that there is a simple solution that you have somehow completely overlooked. _________________ Our window of opportunity is slowly closing...at the same time, it probably requires a spiral of adversity. In other words, things have to get worse before they can get better.
-M. King Hubbert, 1983
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
Hit with a ton of bricks is a good description of my enlightenment to PO.
Felt sick and despondent...like I was told I would die within few weeks. Felt like my life had been ripped out from under me. It took me a week to get back on track and shake the depression when I first found out about PO.
Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 520 Location: Belgium, Europe
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Re: first reactions to peak oil
best reaction I ever recieved when telling about peakoil was "dude, you've got to think outside of the box, there will be a solution... and then he went on about hydrogen" _________________ www.peakoil.be
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