How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
Man, you are young and wet behind the ears.
Thought you said you were in the oil and gas industry?
First, you told us why oil would never cost more than $100 per barrel, as it passed $100 per barrel. What a poignant thread.
You input on the food situation was...award-winning, just can't say which award, COC violations and all.
Yes, Virginia! when one works in arctic environments with diesel-fueled equipment, it runs 24 hours per day, seven days a week until it dies, freezes, runs out of fuel, or all three. Diesel fuel gels in cold weather, and compression engines don't cold start well.
Now run along and buy some Peak Gear to support the mission at hand. Party on.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
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Yes, Virginia! when one works in arctic environments with diesel-fueled equipment, it runs 24 hours per day, seven days a week until it dies, freezes, runs out of fuel, or all three. Diesel fuel gels in cold weather, and compression engines don't cold start well.
not only that but at -60 C which is not unheard of you have to stop everything ....metal becomes brittle.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
Even in northern Canada, diesel engines in construction or mining use are left to run day and night. One good thing is that diesels idle on little fuel, they are more efficient than gasoline in that regard.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
mefistofeles wrote:
Quote:
I don't know what you are but I am human.
I think it takes alot of guts to say you were wrong. We all make mistakes its how we react to them that makes us what we are.
Hurt feelings come and go. Misinformation based on lack of reasoning is what's got us in this god awful mess in the first place. I'm fed up with these bozos. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
americandream wrote:
mefistofeles wrote:
Quote:
I don't know what you are but I am human.
I think it takes alot of guts to say you were wrong. We all make mistakes its how we react to them that makes us what we are.
Hurt feelings come and go. Misinformation based on lack of reasoning is what's got us in this god awful mess in the first place. I'm fed up with these bozos.
I concur, a.d., it's like running a wastewater treatment plant and wondering where all the crap keeps coming from.
And while mefistofeles sentiment is correct, do folks in "the industry" get a break on not knowing where there paycheck comes from? WTF? In the industry? Pump attendant? You know darn well the dairy farmer knows where the heck his paycheck comes from, or the well drillers, or welders.
Over the past 150 years of industrial development, we've hit the limit on what any particular material can do, how much of it exists, and how we can get it.
I guess it's good you brought this petroleum feedback loop example to light. The more it costs, the more it will cost.
GoTo>Loop
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
misterno wrote:
I am in the oil and gas business but I have no business relation to SIBERIA.
Being a pump jockey in Phoenix doesn't count. Anyone who has ever experienced a winter knows what diesel engines are like when the temperature drops. _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
basil_hayden wrote:
I concur, a.d., it's like running a wastewater treatment plant and wondering where all the crap keeps coming from.
Over the past 150 years of industrial development, we've hit the limit on what any particular material can do, how much of it exists, and how we can get it.
The more it costs, the more it will cost.
Well, we'll never reach peak crap will we !!??.
Yep, we hit the limit. "North sea gas" in the UK promised cheap gas "well into the 21st century" - Were in 2008 & the North sea is well past peak - wer'e importing LNG (liquified natural gas) now.
We wasted it - making electricity with gas last 10 years - long story, too long for here. We blew it, our kids inheritance.
Same with cheap petrol / diesel - when we all were young we thought it would last forever, but we KNEW it wouldn't. (forever allways meant OUR lifetimes, didn't it ?).
The more it costs, the more it will cost - TOO TRUE.
BTW, predicting the future, with the myriad variables, is well nigh impossible. Each to his own I suppose, but EVERYONE is entitled to their view.
Gasmon _________________ Oiyl be back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joined: Sep 13, 2006 Posts: 268 Location: Vancouver Island
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!
$humans = "dumbmonkeys";
$oilprice = "too damned much money and damage to our living space";
$costofstupidity = "a whole lot more money and damage";
while ($humans == "dumbmonkeys") {
$oilprice = $oilprice + $costofstupidity;
}
What we need is a way to make the monkeys less dumb...and i do not see us changing our nature anytime soon.
Regarding the $100 mistake?
"To err is human, to forgive is not company policy."
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