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mefistofeles Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 21, 2005 Posts: 143
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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| This sounds like the third film in the dumb and dumber series. Dumb and Even Dumber US Energy policy. |
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kpeavey Expert


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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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Being an election year, I see this as trolling for votes, nothing more. Put a band aid on the gushing wound, get back to important issues. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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Accept the Facts. |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4168 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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Last week refineries were only running at 85%... What is this going to help with gasoline? Maybe congress should pass a law mandating refineries operate at a loss!  _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07 |
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Mechler Heavy Crude


Joined: Feb 02, 2006 Posts: 284 Location: Denver, USA
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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| frankthetank wrote: | Last week refineries were only running at 85%... What is this going to help with gasoline? Maybe congress should pass a law mandating refineries operate at a loss!  |
At least one already is...
| Quote: | | The sustained climb of crude prices spelled bad news for refiners; Western Refining (nyse: WNR ) reported a $40.4 million loss... |
Link _________________ "It is certain that free societies would have no easy time in a future dark age. The rapid return to universal penury will be accomplished by violence and cruelties of a kind now forgotten." - Roberto Vacca, The Coming Dark Age |
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Twilight Expert


Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 2771 Location: UK
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Ferretlover Moderator


Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3029 Location: Minniesotuh
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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1. Stop refilling the SPRs (which are supposed to cover emergencies and security) -until oil is back at $75.
2. Disperse it to the public, to alleviate terrible gas prices, until there is no more for emergencies or security.
Things never change. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto |
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Starvid Fission


Joined: Feb 20, 2005 Posts: 2525 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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 _________________ Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 4860 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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US House of Representatives also votes yes on bill to stop filling the SPR with oil
New law passed suspending oil storage in SPR until oil drops to $75/barrel
Thats two votes in one day and the law is passed.
The Congress can sure move fast when its doing something urgent like pandering by outlawing putting oil in the SPR. |
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joeltrout Intermediate Crude


Joined: Sep 19, 2007 Posts: 920 Location: Land of the Tongva tribe
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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I saw on marketwatch.com that Bush does not plan to veto it.
sorry no link
joeltrout _________________ ENERGY is the basis of our industrial civilization and sustains our standard of living. It is the foundation stone of our national wealth. A nation starved of energy.....will be a nation of starving people. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 4860 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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| joeltrout wrote: | | I saw on marketwatch.com that Bush does not plan to veto it. |
Theres no point in vetoing it....the bill passed with veto-proof majorities in both houses.
It will be interesting to see if the economists are right (they say it will have almost no impact on gas prices) or if Nancy Pelosi is right (she says the new law will reduce the price of gas at the pump by 24 cents a gallon). |
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SchroedingersCat Intermediate Crude

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Joined: May 26, 2005 Posts: 506
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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I can't see how this can have any impact on prices. There has only been a couple of hundred thousand barrels a week added. Almost all of that is royalty in kind. None of the inputs to the SPR are from imports. Haven't been since early 2003. The oil companies pay their royalties for offshore drilling in oil instead of cash. The oil goes to the SPR. Pathetic pandering, really. _________________ Civilization is a personal choice. |
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max_in_wa Tar Sands


Joined: Feb 27, 2008 Posts: 57 Location: Washington State (US)
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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I'm completely unsurprised that congress would pass this legislation. We've had decades of passing the buck on to the future, one would have to be a complete fool to think congress would change its ways for energy issues. Throw in the fact that the price of fuel is such a hot button with the "man on the street", and our representatives and senators are certainly going to fall all over themselves trying to look like they care and are working on the problem.
What I find particularly interesting, is that congress has basically decided that it will try to time the market. While a few people inevitably make money by timing, it doesn't work for most people. Anyone who has ever invested has had the experience of wishing they had sold sooner, sold later, bought sooner, or bought later -- all because the market is so hard to time. As others have said, what if oil hits $200/bbl? Perhaps they'll amend the bill to buy at $126 -- but by then oil will be on its way to $250. |
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dinopello Fission


Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 2372 Location: The Urban Village
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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| Ferretlover wrote: | | 1. Stop refilling the SPRs (which are supposed to cover emergencies and security) -until oil is back at $75. |
I believe the ammendment self-expires on Dec 31, 2008. Then it is up to the new president . |
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something_awfull Heavy Crude


Joined: Aug 13, 2005 Posts: 262 Location: Sydney, Australia.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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I wonder if the Chinese are going to stop filling their SPR to alleviate high fuel prices? Somehow I doubt it.
Seems to me to be a really dumb move. I would have thought you'd be building more storage and filling it up, as others have suggested.
Oh well, bring on the zombies.  |
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joeltrout Intermediate Crude


Joined: Sep 19, 2007 Posts: 920 Location: Land of the Tongva tribe
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling |
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The thing that is going to make me mad is if oil price drop by $10 because of other factors such as strengthing dollar, bullish inventory numbers, etc...
Then those people will say look we made Bush stop filling the SPR and the price of oil dropped $10. Even though it has no relevancy people will make the tie and most of America will believe them.
joeltrout _________________ ENERGY is the basis of our industrial civilization and sustains our standard of living. It is the foundation stone of our national wealth. A nation starved of energy.....will be a nation of starving people. |
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