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Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling
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mefistofeles
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This sounds like the third film in the dumb and dumber series. Dumb and Even Dumber US Energy policy.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Being an election year, I see this as trolling for votes, nothing more. Put a band aid on the gushing wound, get back to important issues.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Last week refineries were only running at 85%... What is this going to help with gasoline? Maybe congress should pass a law mandating refineries operate at a loss! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

frankthetank wrote:
Last week refineries were only running at 85%... What is this going to help with gasoline? Maybe congress should pass a law mandating refineries operate at a loss! Smile


At least one already is...

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The sustained climb of crude prices spelled bad news for refiners; Western Refining (nyse: WNR ) reported a $40.4 million loss...


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That would be the US doing a China.

You know what happens then - a case of the old "emergency maintenance", when problems managers were happy to overlook before, are brought out into the light of day. Aw, shucks, will ya look at that?
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

1. Stop refilling the SPRs (which are supposed to cover emergencies and security) -until oil is back at $75.
2. Disperse it to the public, to alleviate terrible gas prices, until there is no more for emergencies or security.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

US House of Representatives also votes yes on bill to stop filling the SPR with oil

New law passed suspending oil storage in SPR until oil drops to $75/barrel

Thats two votes in one day and the law is passed.

The Congress can sure move fast when its doing something urgent like pandering by outlawing putting oil in the SPR.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I saw on marketwatch.com that Bush does not plan to veto it.

sorry no link Sad

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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I saw on marketwatch.com that Bush does not plan to veto it.



Theres no point in vetoing it....the bill passed with veto-proof majorities in both houses.

It will be interesting to see if the economists are right (they say it will have almost no impact on gas prices) or if Nancy Pelosi is right (she says the new law will reduce the price of gas at the pump by 24 cents a gallon).
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I can't see how this can have any impact on prices. There has only been a couple of hundred thousand barrels a week added. Almost all of that is royalty in kind. None of the inputs to the SPR are from imports. Haven't been since early 2003. The oil companies pay their royalties for offshore drilling in oil instead of cash. The oil goes to the SPR. Pathetic pandering, really.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm completely unsurprised that congress would pass this legislation. We've had decades of passing the buck on to the future, one would have to be a complete fool to think congress would change its ways for energy issues. Throw in the fact that the price of fuel is such a hot button with the "man on the street", and our representatives and senators are certainly going to fall all over themselves trying to look like they care and are working on the problem.

What I find particularly interesting, is that congress has basically decided that it will try to time the market. While a few people inevitably make money by timing, it doesn't work for most people. Anyone who has ever invested has had the experience of wishing they had sold sooner, sold later, bought sooner, or bought later -- all because the market is so hard to time. As others have said, what if oil hits $200/bbl? Perhaps they'll amend the bill to buy at $126 -- but by then oil will be on its way to $250.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ferretlover wrote:
1. Stop refilling the SPRs (which are supposed to cover emergencies and security) -until oil is back at $75.


I believe the ammendment self-expires on Dec 31, 2008. Then it is up to the new president .
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wonder if the Chinese are going to stop filling their SPR to alleviate high fuel prices? Somehow I doubt it.

Seems to me to be a really dumb move. I would have thought you'd be building more storage and filling it up, as others have suggested.

Oh well, bring on the zombies. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The thing that is going to make me mad is if oil price drop by $10 because of other factors such as strengthing dollar, bullish inventory numbers, etc...

Then those people will say look we made Bush stop filling the SPR and the price of oil dropped $10. Even though it has no relevancy people will make the tie and most of America will believe them.

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