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misterno
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/05/11/business/11GAZSLIDE_2.html

It was so cold one evening in February that two dozen diesel engines were left roaring day and night so they wouldn't freeze.

I can not believe this, is this true? How about all other machines operating in Siberia? Are they consuming this much energy?
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yes, that's how it can be. It's a crap place.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Man, you are young and wet behind the ears.
Thought you said you were in the oil and gas industry?

First, you told us why oil would never cost more than $100 per barrel, as it passed $100 per barrel. What a poignant thread.

You input on the food situation was...award-winning, just can't say which award, COC violations and all.

Yes, Virginia! when one works in arctic environments with diesel-fueled equipment, it runs 24 hours per day, seven days a week until it dies, freezes, runs out of fuel, or all three. Diesel fuel gels in cold weather, and compression engines don't cold start well.

Now run along and buy some Peak Gear to support the mission at hand. Party on.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I am in the oil and gas business but I have no business relation to SIBERIA.

And yes I said oil will never reach $100 but reading more and more I realized I was wrong.

I don't know what you are but I am human.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Yes, Virginia! when one works in arctic environments with diesel-fueled equipment, it runs 24 hours per day, seven days a week until it dies, freezes, runs out of fuel, or all three. Diesel fuel gels in cold weather, and compression engines don't cold start well.


not only that but at -60 C which is not unheard of you have to stop everything ....metal becomes brittle.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The severe Russian winters do decrease her oil production.



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Even in northern Canada, diesel engines in construction or mining use are left to run day and night. One good thing is that diesels idle on little fuel, they are more efficient than gasoline in that regard.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

misterno wrote:
I am in the oil and gas business but I have no business relation to SIBERIA.

And yes I said oil will never reach $100 but reading more and more I realized I was wrong.

I don't know what you are but I am human.


Excuses, excuses. This game mate is dangerous. You have a fcukkin brain, use it!
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MeoWWW, guys! Give the kid a break.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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I don't know what you are but I am human.


I think it takes alot of guts to say you were wrong. We all make mistakes its how we react to them that makes us what we are.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

mefistofeles wrote:
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I don't know what you are but I am human.


I think it takes alot of guts to say you were wrong. We all make mistakes its how we react to them that makes us what we are.


Hurt feelings come and go. Misinformation based on lack of reasoning is what's got us in this god awful mess in the first place. I'm fed up with these bozos.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

americandream wrote:
mefistofeles wrote:
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I don't know what you are but I am human.


I think it takes alot of guts to say you were wrong. We all make mistakes its how we react to them that makes us what we are.


Hurt feelings come and go. Misinformation based on lack of reasoning is what's got us in this god awful mess in the first place. I'm fed up with these bozos.


I concur, a.d., it's like running a wastewater treatment plant and wondering where all the crap keeps coming from.

And while mefistofeles sentiment is correct, do folks in "the industry" get a break on not knowing where there paycheck comes from? WTF? In the industry? Pump attendant? You know darn well the dairy farmer knows where the heck his paycheck comes from, or the well drillers, or welders.

Over the past 150 years of industrial development, we've hit the limit on what any particular material can do, how much of it exists, and how we can get it.

I guess it's good you brought this petroleum feedback loop example to light. The more it costs, the more it will cost.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

misterno wrote:
I am in the oil and gas business but I have no business relation to SIBERIA.


Being a pump jockey in Phoenix doesn't count. Anyone who has ever experienced a winter knows what diesel engines are like when the temperature drops.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

basil_hayden wrote:
I concur, a.d., it's like running a wastewater treatment plant and wondering where all the crap keeps coming from.

Over the past 150 years of industrial development, we've hit the limit on what any particular material can do, how much of it exists, and how we can get it.

The more it costs, the more it will cost.


Well, we'll never reach peak crap will we !!??.

Yep, we hit the limit. "North sea gas" in the UK promised cheap gas "well into the 21st century" - Were in 2008 & the North sea is well past peak - wer'e importing LNG (liquified natural gas) now.
We wasted it - making electricity with gas last 10 years - long story, too long for here. We blew it, our kids inheritance.

Same with cheap petrol / diesel - when we all were young we thought it would last forever, but we KNEW it wouldn't. (forever allways meant OUR lifetimes, didn't it ?).

The more it costs, the more it will cost - TOO TRUE.

BTW, predicting the future, with the myriad variables, is well nigh impossible. Each to his own I suppose, but EVERYONE is entitled to their view.

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: COST OF DRILLING NATURAL GAS IN SIBERIA!!! UNBELIEVABLE! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

$humans = "dumbmonkeys";
$oilprice = "too damned much money and damage to our living space";
$costofstupidity = "a whole lot more money and damage";
while ($humans == "dumbmonkeys") {
$oilprice = $oilprice + $costofstupidity;
}

What we need is a way to make the monkeys less dumb...and i do not see us changing our nature anytime soon.

Regarding the $100 mistake?

"To err is human, to forgive is not company policy."

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