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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
The sheep will be separated from the goats based on how they treated "the least of these brothers of mine"
Matthew 25: 31 - 46
In other words, Jesus is most concerned with how Christians treat the poor and downtrodden. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
In other words, Jesus is most concerned with how Christians treat the poor and downtrodden.
My thoughts precisely, and my reply to Alex. I would only add that one cannot consider himself saved through faith only.
I understand perfectly well the point of Protestantism (starting with Luther) than man cannot satisfy the standards expected of him. However it is my opinion that simple invocation of a formula isn't enough to "justify" or "save" anyone. On the contrary, one needs to work on knowing himself and gaining virtue, which is terribly difficult in this world.
Btu
PS: I am frankly not interested in criticizing other religions. For me such criticism falls into the category of "seeing the speck in other people's eye". I don't presume to be good enough to point out where Buddha was in error. _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
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PS: I am frankly not interested in criticizing other religions. For me such criticism falls into the category of "seeing the speck in other people's eye".
I'm guilty of criticizing Christianity! (or, rather, some Christians) _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
The sheep will be separated from the goats based on how they treated "the least of these brothers of mine"
Matthew 25: 31 - 46
In other words, Jesus is most concerned with how Christians treat the poor and downtrodden.
Beautiful Ludi.
Thanks so much BTU.
Somehow I think "the least of of these brothers of mine", include children who lived in Fallujah Iraq--clusterbombed and raped by enlisted men from the fundamentalist community.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
Ludi wrote:
In other words, Jesus is most concerned with how Christians treat the poor and downtrodden.
My thoughts precisely, and my reply to Alex. I would only add that one cannot consider himself saved through faith only.
I understand perfectly well the point of Protestantism (starting with Luther) than man cannot satisfy the standards expected of him. However it is my opinion that simple invocation of a formula isn't enough to "justify" or "save" anyone. On the contrary, one needs to work on knowing himself and gaining virtue, which is terribly difficult in this world.
Btu
PS: I am frankly not interested in criticizing other religions. For me such criticism falls into the category of "seeing the speck in other people's eye".
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
The sheep will be separated from the goats based on how they treated "the least of these brothers of mine"
Matthew 25: 31 - 46
In other words, Jesus is most concerned with how Christians treat the poor and downtrodden.
But again, there's a very big distinction between what saves someone and the fruit one exhibits once saved.
You also have to remember this is told in the context of Matthew 24 which deals with the End Times and Christ's Second Coming. During that time, God's people ("the least of these my brethren") will face heavy persecution and death under the Antichrist.
The sheep will be helping those Jews and Christians who are being persecuted and killed under the Antichrist. The goats will not.
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." (Matthew 24:9)
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
I'm back in Southern Thailand on this sleepy muslim island where folks are living a simple rural life as fishermen and farmers. A quick peak in on this thread from where I am now sitting makes you all look totally lost in stupid mental constructs that have sooooo little to do with anything of any relevance.
Fools Fools Fools. _________________ Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ibon wrote:
I'm back in Southern Thailand on this sleepy muslim island where folks are living a simple rural life as fishermen and farmers. A quick peak in on this thread from where I am now sitting makes you all look totally lost in stupid mental constructs that have sooooo little to do with anything of any relevance.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
btu2012 wrote:
My thoughts precisely, and my reply to Alex. I would only add that one cannot consider himself saved through faith only.
Hi btu,
That's the whole message of the Bible. We're saved by God's grace through faith, not by our works. Before and after the Messiah, it was always by faith that people were declared righteous.
See Hebrews 11, the entire chapter talks about this very point.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
POAlex, what are the two greatest commandments, according to Jesus? _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ludi wrote:
POAlex, what are the two greatest commandments, according to Jesus?
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)
So let me ask you Ludi, have you always kept these?
I certainly haven't.
Look at the lawyer who almost tried to justify himself after asking Jesus about these very commandments.
"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?" (Luke 10:25-29) Underline mine.
Notice what the Bible says and what the lawyer said? He was thinking he was self-righteous but his question revealed he was not.
Are you thinking that we have the two great commandments as guidelines? Just remember, they're not instructions, they're commandments. This means that in order to be a righteous person we must have never, ever broken either of them at any time in our entire life.
Who can make such a claim? I certainly can't.
That's why I'm thankful I have a Saviour, Ludi.
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24)
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Ibon wrote:
I'm back in Southern Thailand on this sleepy muslim island where folks are living a simple rural life as fishermen and farmers. A quick peak in on this thread from where I am now sitting makes you all look totally lost in stupid mental constructs that have sooooo little to do with anything of any relevance.
Fools Fools Fools.
Oh no, another insufferable smug Buddhist.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
POAlex wrote:
btu2012 wrote:
My thoughts precisely, and my reply to Alex. I would only add that one cannot consider himself saved through faith only.
Hi btu,
That's the whole message of the Bible. We're saved by God's grace through faith, not by our works. Before and after the Messiah, it was always by faith that people were declared righteous.
See Hebrews 11, the entire chapter talks about this very point.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
'Do not marvel, brethren, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.' 1 John 3:14 _________________ I return to you now at the turning of the tide.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Gandalph, you are not hated here, just disbelieved.
You and yours are not among the ones who suffered. The ones who suffered recently are all from the East, learn about the Church in Russia and Eastern Europe. There are modern martyrs there, but evangelicals are not among them.
Their message, from first to last, was about loving your neighbor and not hating your enemy rather than about how sinners go to hell.
Evangelicals are those known for going to those countries to teach them what Christianity is about, after they've been Christian for 2000 years and after they went through such a martirium.
I would also remind you that Christianity was not meant as a justification for the rich, in fact the precise contrary was stated by Jesus in the clearest of terms. The neo-Presbiterianism displayed by evangelicals is most unchristian in that regard.
Btu
The Serbian Church below dates from the 9th century, built before the Great Schism, well before the Reformation and more 800 years before the creation of the United States
The St. Peter church in Novi Pazar (Serbia) was built in the 9th century, and is the oldest Orthodox church in the Balkans. At that place Stefan Nemanja, the biggest Serbian emperor, was resigned from the throne and went away in Mount Athos. His son St. Sava Serbian, as the youngest child, and him were founders of the Serbian monastery Chilandar (Mount Athos). His successors , in the Medeival era, were founders of many monasteries and churches in Kosovo and Metochia, BYRMacedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Hercegovina and Bulgaria.
You can read about the situation of ancient churches in Kosovo here:
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