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OilFinder2
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 Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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| Pops wrote: | | So I take it your point is not that there is not a spreading food crisis but that everything will work out because we will just move our farms toward the poles? |
Pretty much, yeah. Humans are an adaptable and ingenious species.
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Pops
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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| OilFinder2 wrote: | | Pretty much, yeah. Humans are an adaptable and ingenious species. |
OK, I guess I can't argue with that logic.
So, I'm curious as to the ingenious adaptations you are adopting?
I didn't notice your location - don't tell me it's the North Pole?
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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| Pops wrote: | | OilFinder2 wrote: | | Pretty much, yeah. Humans are an adaptable and ingenious species. |
OK, I guess I can't argue with that logic.
So, I'm curious as to the ingenious adaptations you are adopting? |
I'm not a farmer, so the adaptations I speak of don't really apply to me.
| Pops wrote: | I didn't notice your location - don't tell me it's the North Pole?
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Nevertheless, I do live at 47 degrees north, which is pretty far north.
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Jack
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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| seahorse wrote: | | That road is taking a bunch of ignorant Americans straight to the third world. |
Fact. Plain, simple fact.
I wonder if our new masters - Chinese, perhaps? - will treat us gently? No, I think they will not. I think they will seek to enjoy the benefits of cheap labor.
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roccman
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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I'm going to miss OilFinder2 when TSHTF. Folks like him will be the first ones to die-off. You know what I'm talking about, those yuppies who like to eat the 3,000 mile caesar salad. There won't be any "fun" people to talk to in a post PO world. It'll be just a bunch of hard-core doomer porn guys like myself and a couple others fighting off the brain eating zombies.
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Novus
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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America is sick joke on the world but you know what that article is pretty serious until they started talking about beef. Then it dawned on me and I started laughing.
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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Here ya go cube, a farm in the Brazilian Cerrado. Mile after mile of plenty.
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seahorse
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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OF wrote:
| Quote: | | I don't see how most of the things you mentioned will affect American agriculture. Indeed, the US agricultural sector is booming right now. |
OF, if you think the farmer is living a new boom, you must have missed this article on the PO news page:
| Quote: | | The cost of planting some crops is rising as fast as their prices, and sometimes faster, leaving little incentive to increase production of some foods that remain in high demand around the world. |
Farmer not cashing in on high food prices
Also, higher grain prices are killing cattle farmers, hog farmers, and the poultry producers.
The old argument that higher prices spurs production seems to be a myth. Higher commodities does not seem to spur anymore production in agriculture than it does in oil production. |
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yesplease
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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| seahorse wrote: | | Quote: | | The cost of planting some crops is rising as fast as their prices, and sometimes faster, leaving little incentive to increase production of some foods that remain in high demand around the world. |
Farmer not cashing in on high food prices
Also, higher grain prices are killing cattle farmers, hog farmers, and the poultry producers. |
I would wager those two are related. Reducing the amount of grain fed livestock and instead using that land/grain directly for human consumption results in ten times more food than we originally had. It simply seems like the relatively inefficient food sources are on the chopping block first. If we get to the point where there is no grain fed livestock and we aren't increasing grain production significantly in the face of much higher prices, with no subsidies/tariffs for ethanol from land that could be used for food, then that's worrisome IMO.
| seahorse wrote: | | The old argument that higher prices spurs production seems to be a myth. Higher commodities does not seem to spur anymore production in agriculture than it does in oil production. |
The gubberment's hometown ethanol handouts plus tariffs that forbid the entrance of foreign sources of ethanol definitely skew the market. But I imagine this can't go on forever... In short, I wouldn't look for some huge paradigm shift until we're doing the same w/o corn ethanol subsidies and cuts in livestock.
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Novus
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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From CNN: Nation's Food System is Collapsing
A total of 12 million cattle are set to be slaughtered and the system to process all that meat is failing.
Logical next step is 2009 is the year of the vegetarian. |
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kublikhan
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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| Novus wrote: | From CNN: Nation's Food System is Collapsing
A total of 12 million cattle are set to be slaughtered and the system to process all that meat is failing.Logical next step is 2009 is the year of the vegetarian. |
That article's title seems misleading. The content of the article is talking about food safety problems with the beef. Not a US cattle shortage in 2009. In fact, the total yearly slaughter is much higher than 12 million and has been for quite some time:
| Quote: | 2002: 35.735 million head slaughtered
2003: 35.49 million head slaughtered
2004: 32.727 million head slaughtered
2005: 32.387 million head slaughtered
2006: 33.698 million head slaughtered
2007: 34.3 million head slaughtered |
US Cattle industry
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shortonoil
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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kublikhan said:
| Quote: | 2002: 35.735 million head slaughtered
2003: 35.49 million head slaughtered
2004: 32.727 million head slaughtered
2005: 32.387 million head slaughtered
2006: 33.698 million head slaughtered
2007: 34.3 million head slaughtered |
I would think that a more reliable statistic in this case would be how many head of stock there are to be slaughtered. kublikhan, do you have those figures? |
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Homesteader
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) |
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| OilFinder2 wrote: |
In a warming climate, there will be winners, and there will be losers. The net result will be zero. |
Yeah, that is what we have been saying. . ."net result will be zero".
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