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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Any attack would be shitty for the troops in Iraq.
You think it's ugly now.........eeeek....
We'll see.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:46 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There have been 2 carrier groups in the area for the better part of 4 years now. They do about 18 months each, then rotate out. 2 carrier groups doesn't worry me. It would take 3 carrier groups at a minimum to launch the much-anticipated airstrikes, plus full mobilization of the hardware on Diego Garcia.

However, if the report is accurate, 6 carrier groups in 1 spot is unprecidented. According to the fleet response plan, 6 carrier groups constitutes the entire surge-ready fleet.

Let's think about that for a moment. Every carrier that is not under maintenance is being mobilized to 1 location. That is staggering.

Of course, the article fails to mention whether all 6 groups are carrier strike groups, or expiditionary strike groups. But that in itself is a disturbing thought. ECG's aren't for airstrikes. They are for a ground invasion.

Either way, this is not a good sign. What I wouldn't give for some real-time satellite pictures of Diego Garcia right now. If they roll back those inflatable B2 hangars, it's time to head to the bunker.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Oh but what a false flag op.

At nearly 6000 crew it would be bigger than Pearl and WTC put together if one went down.

It would piss the citizenry right off.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It wouldn't have to result in the death of 6000.
Could be just a torpedo hole and a few dead.
Or perhaps they want a new 911 with a few thousand dead hoping that during the emotional aftermath the government gets a blank check to exort revenge.

Wars are quite often started off with a false flag op to rally support or give international justification.
Nothing unusual there.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

After Pearl there was enough 'emotional aftermath' that the U.S. got away scot free with the use of two nuclear weapons.

Let hope thats not the level of sympathy the U.S. administration in gunning for.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Do people who keep posting these have any idea how often it gets posted, and that it has been wrong every single time?

I mean - really!


Calling wolf too many times???? Just remember, in the story, the wolf eventually DID show up.
A moral of the story could be that the boy shouldn't have joked about it. Another moral might be that people shouldn't have started ignoring him just because the first few times were false alarms.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:53 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I doubt a false flag operation in the Persian Gulf would work. There are lots of nationalities' warships in the Gulf. Not as many as American ones, but they are there and work closely together. What are the Americans going to, ask them to move off for a day and blind them? If some Euro minesweepers see some bullshit, it is not going to stay hidden. The US would be running too great a risk to justify any such action. So let's lay this conspiracy theory to rest. There are much easier ways of getting something done.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dreamtwister wrote:
There have been 2 carrier groups in the area for the better part of 4 years now. They do about 18 months each, then rotate out. 2 carrier groups doesn't worry me. It would take 3 carrier groups at a minimum to launch the much-anticipated airstrikes.


Agreed. Two carrier groups is a message. Three is mobilization. That's why the now replaced Admiral Fallon reportedly refused to send in a third carrier group last year, despite strong pressure from the Bushies to do so.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That video did not say all six carriers were going to one location. In fact, if I remember it right, it said locations throughout the world.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

catbox wrote:
Any attack would be shitty for the troops in Iraq.
You think it's ugly now.........eeeek....

"So?" - Dick Cheney.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dreamtwister wrote:
There have been 2 carrier groups in the area for the better part of 4 years now. They do about 18 months each, then rotate out. 2 carrier groups doesn't worry me. It would take 3 carrier groups at a minimum to launch the much-anticipated airstrikes, plus full mobilization of the hardware on Diego Garcia.

However, if the report is accurate, 6 carrier groups in 1 spot is unprecidented. According to the fleet response plan, 6 carrier groups constitutes the entire surge-ready fleet.

Let's think about that for a moment. Every carrier that is not under maintenance is being mobilized to 1 location. That is staggering.

Of course, the article fails to mention whether all 6 groups are carrier strike groups, or expiditionary strike groups. But that in itself is a disturbing thought. ECG's aren't for airstrikes. They are for a ground invasion.

Either way, this is not a good sign. What I wouldn't give for some real-time satellite pictures of Diego Garcia right now. If they roll back those inflatable B2 hangars, it's time to head to the bunker.



Please Listen to that Faux News story AGAIN...


They did NOT say that all the carrier groups were headed to Iranian theater....they DID say six groups would be at sea...

As you state 2 carriers is the NORM now...maybe watching the backs of the troops in Iraq?

Now they are FAST ships...faster than we are allowed to know....so most/all 6 carriers COULD be in attack range in a week if the US really wanted....
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The_Virginian wrote:


They did NOT say that all the carrier groups were headed to Iranian theater....they DID say six groups would be at sea...

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I thought at one point he said there would be SIX in the PERSIAN GULF area?
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nope, he said six carriers were getting ready for duty however which apparently is a lot at one time to set to Sea.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dreamtwister wrote:
There have been 2 carrier groups in the area for the better part of 4 years now. They do about 18 months each, then rotate out. 2 carrier groups doesn't worry me. It would take 3 carrier groups at a minimum to launch the much-anticipated airstrikes, plus full mobilization of the hardware on Diego Garcia.

However, if the report is accurate, 6 carrier groups in 1 spot is unprecidented. According to the fleet response plan, 6 carrier groups constitutes the entire surge-ready fleet.

Let's think about that for a moment. Every carrier that is not under maintenance is being mobilized to 1 location. That is staggering.

Of course, the article fails to mention whether all 6 groups are carrier strike groups, or expiditionary strike groups. But that in itself is a disturbing thought. ECG's aren't for airstrikes. They are for a ground invasion.

Either way, this is not a good sign. What I wouldn't give for some real-time satellite pictures of Diego Garcia right now. If they roll back those inflatable B2 hangars, it's time to head to the bunker.


The inability to hide Diego Garcia from satellites is why attacking Iran full scale won't work without a political runup. The Russians would see that and tell Iran. The Iranians would be ready, then, to do whatever they wanted to in retaliation. Personally, I would not be surprised if the illegal Mexican becomes our friend because they are the ones we will need to rely on to ferret out the strange Persian accents in the Spanish language. In this modern world the vulnerabilities are endless. It takes courage, it seems, to do anything bad or good.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Carrier groups headed toward Iran? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is another post pointing out how Iran seems to be storing as much oil as they can in tankers in the Gulf. If only the carriers could burn crude oil, they could pop by for a fill up.
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