Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1126 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
seahorse2 wrote:
In the end, it doesn't matter what any of us posting here think, we are caught in the ebb and flow of the big macro picture. All I'm trying to determine, is which way the current is flowing and how fast. I cannot "will" the current to flow a different direction.
But that's just it; that's the ostensible basis of democracy. Information, deliberation, policy. We exchange ideas here and elsewhere to shape the opinions that in turn eventually shape policy. It isn't perfect, and it usually faces a lot of inertia, but it's all we've got. It's that or go live in a cave (and who's going to keep the net going then?). _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 3747 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
Nickel wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
After the creation of Israel, the Jews' lives were made so uncomfortable that they were pretty much forced to move to Israel.
I think "after the creation of Israel" is the operative phrase here. Most people tend to react to invasion and annexation in a, well, typically negative fashion.
Was Iran invaded? Was Iran annexed? Why should Iran give a damn? Why should Iran make the Israeli question central to its foreign policy? It's trying to fight someone else's battles.
Even if it were its battle, does this mean it was okay to throw the Japanese into internment camps during WWII?
Nickel wrote:
How many states does the US plan to cede to the blacks for five centuries of slavery, then? Is one of them yours? Will you be picking up and moving without compensation happily, squatting on somebody's lawn in Sausalito and actually wondering why they're not pleased to see you there?
That's the wrong analogy. ASSIMILATION is the solution, not seeing things in terms of a "black" country or a "white" country.
Nickel wrote:
Regardless, why is the penalty for the Holocaust the burden of the Arabs,
Why should having Jews coexist with you a "burden"? The nature of the question itself is antisemitic. They have to go SOMEWHERE. If you see it as a burden then any country where they wind up has a right to complain "why did you dump these dirty joos on our doorstep?"
Besides, it's not like that region was a bastion of tolerance during WWII.
Any attempt to place Palestinians as morally pure victims is absurd and not even worthy of debate. I don't know why people who gleefully plaster posters of suicide bombers on their walls or make children's programming with a racist Mickey Mouse surrogate engender such sympthy in the world other than it's some kind of latent antisemitism. Obviously they have suffered, not the least of which from the "blowback" of their own predominant culture of hate, something that the international community NEVER seem to call them out on, but rather holds every Israeli action under the moral microscope.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Palestinians need their Ghandi or Martin Luther King to show that there is some overt desire for peaceful coexistence. Until then, Israelis are acting in a prudent fashion.
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 3747 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
Nickel wrote:
No, it's easier to just go on utterly misrepresenting them so that these people can be completely demonized, dehumanized, and eventually evaporated as their nation is turned to a sea of trinitite glass, isn't it, in a holocaust ten times the scale of the one Hitler took a decade to commit by conventional means.
Maybe we'd like to hear what the man actually said so we can judge for ourselves if eventually murdering 70 million Iranians (presumably to save 7 million Israelis) is justified.
He's given a ton of speeches. He's visited US universities. He's conducted interviews for the major US press. He's hosted a holocaust denial convention. His overall opinions on Israel indisputable.
It's like claiming David Duke isn't a racist because one phrase in one of his speeches was misquoted.
That doesn't mean I advocate we nuke Iran. It just means that there is just cause that Iran is building nukes and has a military end-game in the works with Israel.
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
mos6507 wrote:
Why should having Jews coexist with you a "burden"? The nature of the question itself is antisemitic. They have to go SOMEWHERE. If you see it as a burden then any country where they wind up has a right to complain "why did you dump these dirty joos on our doorstep?"
That's a rediculous straw man.
If they showed up in my neighborhood with money and bought the house next door, I'd send them a fruit basket. If they showed up with bulldozers and built a new house on the foundation of my house, I'd send them a car bomb.
And so would you. _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1126 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
mos6507 wrote:
Was Iran invaded? Was Iran annexed? Why should Iran give a damn? Why should Iran make the Israeli question central to its foreign policy? It's trying to fight someone else's battles.
Are you from Germany? Austria, Poland? Do you give a damn what happened to the Jews there? Are you from Israel? You seem to care as though you are... Why is that? If it isn't so, why would you be fighting "someone else's" battles?
mos6507 wrote:
Even if it were its battle, does this mean it was okay to throw the Japanese into internment camps during WWII?
Not in my books. Those people weren't "them", they were "us".
mos6507 wrote:
ASSIMILATION is the solution, not seeing things in terms of a "black" country or a "white" country.
But what if someone wants to preserve his or her own culture and values? In the face of that, what you're advocating is cultural genocide. After all, if the Jews of Europe had only had to good sense to "assimilate" to Lutherism or Calvinism in the 16th century (and thousands of them over time must have, -- no doubt some of them the ancestors of men who generations later staffed the camps), what basis would there have been for the Holocaust in the 20th? Those people would still be alive. But at what cost?
Canada has an entire province with a francophone culture. It's a precarious balancing act. Do you actually advocate a policy of anglicization? That we tell these people officially to "speak white"? Do you honestly believe they would just knuckle under and do that because it's what we wanted? And what exactly do you mean by "assimilation" in terms of the Palestinians? Forget their land claims, the deeds they still hold, the places their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents are buried? Do you honestly believe that's a talking point -- or is it just the meatless bone you throw in full knowledge that it will be rejected by anyone with a soul in him, so you can say to the world, "See, these people don't want peace!"?
mos6507 wrote:
Why should having Jews coexist with you a "burden"?
What does invading a country, forceably annexing the bulk of it, and expelling its inhabitants have to do with "coexistence"? Really, I'd like to know. Please enlighten us. See, I'm under the impression that pretty much anyone would consider such actions a "burden", to be euphemistic about it. I'll ask the question... what term would you have wanted the Jews of Poland, dispossessed of THEIR homes and herded into the Warsaw ghetto, to have used for the experience? What should those elsewhere who cared about them have called it? Or should they just have shrugged and said, 'Eh, not my problem..."? Well, when you have your answer, I think you'll understand your own question in a new light.
mos6507 wrote:
The nature of the question itself is antisemitic.
Oooo, he finally drops the closure bomb, ladies and gentleman. Yup, the old closer... can't convince someone not to criticize Israeli policy, pull the pin on the AS grenade. Sorry, if I'm championing the cause of Palestinians, I can't be anti-Semitic. Arabs are Semites too. In fact, arguably moreso, since they haven't been living in and mixing in Europe for two millennia.
mos6507 wrote:
They have to go SOMEWHERE.
Why? Why did they have to go anywhere? Jews have been living in those countries for centuries, and the Holocaust was over in 1948. There was no longer an existential threat. The argument would have made much more sense ten years earlier. But even then, there were countries of safety. And if Palestine could be reached, surely so could London, Montreal, New York... I haven't seen anyone firing rockets at them here. Mind you, I also don't see IDF soldiers bulldozing my house here, either. There might be a connection.
mos6507 wrote:
If you see it as a burden then any country where they wind up has a right to complain "why did you dump these dirty joos on our doorstep?"
There's no question that the West failed abysmally in assisting the Jews in leaving central Europe in the 1930s; famously, an immigration official in Canada opined at the time that "none is too many" when asked how many could be settled here. Keep in mind, though, that prejudices aside (and Jews where hardly the sole victims of them), no one at the time could have possibly credited or even conceived of what was about to happen.
But having seen it, being able to recognize those early steps, I watch with increasing alarm the activities of Israeli officialdom and Israeli attitudes. What I see is familiar from recent history... and ugly. And I won't apologize for saying so. It needs to be said. This is not the way for Israel to survive in the Middle East.
mos6507 wrote:
Any attempt to place Palestinians as morally pure victims is absurd and not even worthy of debate.
Then why are you trying to persuade me otherwise? Moreover, I don't claim them to be "morally pure"; I claim them to be the oppressed party in an armed invasion, the captive nation of a regime which treats them by fiat from a position of absolute strength. Think the Hebrews in Egypt before Moses... that kind of thing. They weren't morally pure, either. But they were human beings, oppressed just for who they were.
mos6507 wrote:
I don't know why people who gleefully plaster posters of suicide bombers on their walls or make children's programming with a racist Mickey Mouse surrogate engender such sympthy in the world other than it's some kind of latent antisemitism.
It's because we've seen it all before. And for the rest of us, "never again" doesn't just mean "to Jewish people". It means "to anyone".
mos6507 wrote:
Obviously they have suffered, not the least of which from the "blowback" of their own predominant culture of hate, something that the international community NEVER seem to call them out on, but rather holds every Israeli action under the moral microscope.
Pardon me, but when Arab machines are knocking down homes with elderly Jews in them, when Arab armies and cramming millions of Jews into unserviced land, denying them access to food, water, employment, and the rest of humanity -- nakedly, in front of the world -- then I would like to think the response of the world will be at LEAST as outraged as it is on behalf of the Palestinians. But that's not happening, is it? And it will never get to that point.
What you want, what you're really demanding here, is the free hand Germany had in 1938. I hope you feel good about that. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1126 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
mos6507 wrote:
He's given a ton of speeches. He's visited US universities. He's conducted interviews for the major US press. He's hosted a holocaust denial convention. His overall opinions on Israel indisputable.
I don't doubt the man has issues with Israel. But that doesn't come to the point of the spin that gets put on the translations. If he's Hitler, that ought to come through without anyone having to muddy it up when it's put into English. If it has to be tinkered with, then there's probably an issue, isn't there?
mos6507 wrote:
That doesn't mean I advocate we nuke Iran. It just means that there is just cause that Iran is building nukes and has a military end-game in the works with Israel.
Okay, what does it mean? International inspectors report they abandoned a nuclear weapons program four years ago. Under the NNPT (which Iran has signed, and Israel hasn't), they have the right to build reactors. Israel reportedly has 75-200 nuclear weapons. Even if Iran did want them and did build them, what moral right does Israel, possessing them itself, have to object? In fact, since Israel has threatened Iran with their use, and the only sure way to forestall that is to build them themselves, wouldn't Iran be better-served by building them? And suppose they do...?
You're not advocating Iran be nuked... with the attendant murder of 70 million people.... just what are you advocating, then? _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 1126 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
Dreamtwister wrote:
If they showed up in my neighborhood with money and bought the house next door, I'd send them a fruit basket. If they showed up with bulldozers and built a new house on the foundation of my house, I'd send them a car bomb.
And so would you.
Hear hear. Straight to the point. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
Now, I know Debka is a biased news source, but what it represents to me is "chatter" which may show the direction things are moving or, at least, the direction some desire things to move. Here is a debka report on the "intelligence" behind the recent IAEA admonishment of Iran's nuclear program.
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First documentary evidence Iran is into nuclear explosives, missile warhead design
May 27, 2008, 10:16 AM (GMT+02:00)
The International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna based its new and damning findings partly on 18 intelligence documents submitted by the United States, and now accuse Tehran of willful lack of cooperation. Iran dismissed the documents as forged or fabricated.
DEBKAfile reports that the documents came from materials contained in a laptop stolen from one of the heads of Iran’s nuclear program in Tehran in late 2006 by Iranian dissidents. It was passed to the CIA. Despite this evidence of an ongoing nuclear weapons program, sixteen US intelligence agencies, including the CIA, combined last year to announce this program was suspended in 2003.
Even the nuclear watchdog’s director Mohammed ElBaradei, who often meets the Iranians halfway, has concluded that Iran’s nuclear activities are of “serious concern” and require “substantial explanations.” which Tehran has refused to offer.
His latest report describes Iran’s installation of new IR-2 and IR-3 centrifuges for enriching uranium at the Natanz site as “significant” yet not communicated to his agency. IAEA inspectors on a visit in April were denied access to the sites where the centrifuges are manufactured and the scientists involved. Some, the report states, were produced by Iran’s “military” (a reference to the Revolutionary Guards corps which is in charge of Iran’s nuclear weapons industry).
An official connected to the watchdog disclosed that since December, the Iranians have processed close to 150 kilograms, double the amount produced in the same period 18 months ago.
The watchdog director’s report was released Monday, May 26, to the IAEA’s 35-member board of directors and the UN Security Council, and will be discussed by the board next week.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
There is no doubt the pro-war rhetoric has started.
NEW YORK - The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.
Two key US senators briefed on the attack planned to go public with their opposition to the move, according to the source, but their projected New York Times op-ed piece has yet to appear.
The source, a retired US career diplomat and former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community, speaking anonymously, said last week that that the US plans an
air strike against the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). The air strike would target the headquarters of the IRGC's elite Quds force. With an estimated strength of up to 90,000 fighters, the Quds' stated mission is to spread Iran's revolution of 1979 throughout the region.
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
The "chatter" Iranian "nuclear bomb" develop continues to strengthen. Whether its true or propaganda does not matter, it illustrates one of two things, either the direction we are headed or the direction that someone wants us to go.
The latest chatter? That a blue print on Iranian nuclear bomb development is what got the IAEA alarmed.
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US: Iranian warhead blueprint 'alarming'
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
VIENNA, Austria
A ranking International Atomic Energy Agency official called Teheran's possession of a drawing showing how to make part of an atomic warhead "alarming" Thursday and said the onus is on Iran to prove it had not tried to develop nuclear arms, said diplomats attending a closed briefing.
An Iranian technician works at the Uranium Conversion Facility just outside the city of Isfahan 410 kilometers south of Teheran.
The US said the evidence detailed by IAEA Deputy Director General Olli Heinonen increased concerns that Teheran had tried to make such weapons. "Today's briefing showed ... strong reasons to suspect that Iran was working covertly and deceitfully at least until recently to build a bomb," Gregory L. Schulte, the chief US delegate to the agency, told reporters.
Rejecting the allegation, Ali Ashgar Soltanieh, Schulte's Iranian counterpart, again dismissed the evidence as "baseless and fabricated documents and papers."
Separately, a senior diplomat suggested the agency was not accepting as fact US intelligence estimates that the Islamic Republic stopped active pursuit of nuclear weapons five years ago.
* US suspects Syria hiding nuclear facilities
Queried on documents in the agency's possession possibly linked to research in such weapons and bearing dates into early 2004, he told The Associated Press that the IAEA was reserving its judgment on whether they indicated nuclear weapons work past 2003 until it finished its own investigations.
The documents, outlined in an IAEA report forwarded Monday to the UN Security Council and agency board members, are part of evidence provided by board member nations to the agency for its investigation into allegations that Iran used the cover of peaceful nuclear activities to conduct research and testing on a nuclear arms program.
One, dated January-February 2004 is linked to high explosives testing of the kind that can be used to detonate a nuclear device. Others, dated into January 2004 - and one as late as March 14 of that year - are part of purported evidence that Iran worked on designs of a missile re-entry vehicle that is normally a part of a nuclear delivery system.
The senior diplomat, who is familiar with agency attempts to investigate the nuclear weapons allegations, said the dates could mean nothing more than a review of activities that ended before 2004 but added the IAEA could make a final judgment only if Iran was forthcoming on requests to explain these and other documents. He demanded anonymity because he was not authorized to divulge confidential information.
A summarized US National Intelligence Estimate, made public late last year, came to the conclusion that Teheran was conducting atomic weapons work but froze such activities in 2003. Other countries, however, believe such activities continued beyond that year, and any Iranian focus on nuclear weapons work in 2004 would at least indicate continued interest past the timeframe outlined in the US intelligence estimate.
At the closed meeting Thursday, Heinonen said about 10 nations had provided intelligence and documentation meant to assist his team in investigating the allegations of hidden nuclear weapons work by Iran, said the diplomats. That marks the first time a precise number of countries was mentioned. The US was the first country to share intelligence with the IAEA to support its allegations, and Teheran has depicted the probe as based on lies fabricated by Washington.
The diplomats quoted Heinonen as saying that Iran's possession of a drawing showing how to mold uranium metal into the shape of a warhead was "alarming" - even though it was not the ultimate key to making a nuclear weapon - because it raised questions about why a non-nuclear weapons state would want to have it.
He urged Iran to provide "plausible evidence" to back up its claims that its high-explosives testing - which fits the pattern used to detonate a nuclear payload - was for non-nuclear purposes.
The briefing followed up on Monday's IAEA report, which said Iran may be withholding information needed to establish whether it tried to make nuclear arms.
The report also said Iran remains defiant of the council's demands that it suspend uranium enrichment and has expanded its operational centrifuges - machines that churn out enriched uranium - by about 500 since the last IAEA report, in February.
The IAEA report noted Iran now had only 3,500 centrifuges and said the few advanced machines actually running were only in a testing phase. Still, a senior UN official said Iran's goal of 6,000 machines running by the summer was "pretty much plausible."
Uranium can be used as nuclear reactor fuel or as the core for atomic warheads, depending on the degree of enrichment. Iran says it is interested in enrichment only for its nuclear power program.
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
Thought Canadians would be interested in this, as it will affect how the coming war will be covered in this country.
CANWEST:
The company is owned by the Asper family of Winnipeg. Founder Israel (Izzy) Asper died a few years ago and the company is now in the hands of his son Leonard. Father and son were/are passionate Zionists and make sure that what they own echoes what they think. In an interview in the Jerusalem Post in August of 2003, Izzy Asper stated: “In all our newspapers…we have a very pro-Israel position…we are the strongest supporter of Israel in Canada”. For more about these folks and their political views you can look for The Asper Nation- a book by Marc Edge, published by New Star Books or The Tyee on line issue of Nov, 23, 2007- “The Asper Slam on News Media,” one of three Tyee excerpts from Marc Edge’s book
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
The US Secretary of Defense recently "cleaned house" and fired the highest ranking US Air Force officer and also fired the highest ranking civilian other than himself.
Gates then appointed a General Schwartz to head the airforce. Everyone in the world, especially various militaries, will be analyzing this new appointment to see what it means. Its interesting to see how the Israeli's view it, bc I'm sure the Iranians see it like this as well. The Israeli's report Gates appointed a "Jewish General" to head the US Airforce.
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Jewish general named new USAF chief
By AP AND JPOST.COM STAFF
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US Defense Secretary Robert Gates launched the US Air Force in a new direction Monday by announcing an unusual choice as the service's next uniformed chief and by declaring an immediate halt to personnel reductions that he said had put the Air Force under too much wartime strain.
USAF Gen. Norton Schwartz
USAF Gen. Norton Schwartz
Photo: AP
Before flying to Israel to explain his moves to airmen and their commanders, Gates recommended that US President George W. Bush nominate Gen. Norton Schwartz, a Jewish 35-year-old veteran with a background in Air Force special operations, as the new Air Force chief of staff, replacing fired Gen. Michael Moseley.
In a sweeping shake up, Gates also formally sent former Air Force official Michael Donley's name to the White House to be the next secretary of the beleaguered service. Bush quickly announced he would nominate Donley, and designated him as acting secretary until he is confirmed by the Senate.
Gates said Donley and Schwartz were coming in at an important time in the history of the Air Force.
"General Schwartz's unique set of experiences and accomplishments make him the right officer at this time to lead the Air Force," Gates told an audience of several hundred servicemen and Air Force civilians.
Gates announced on Thursday that he was removing Moseley from the chief's job and Wynne as its top civilian to hold them accountable for failing to fully correct an erosion of nuclear-related performance standards, a concern linked to the cross-country flight last August of a B-52 carrying armed nuclear weapons.
Gates said he felt compelled to sweep out the current Air Force leadership to halt a long-term drift in the service's focus. But he also made a point of praising the Air Force's contributions to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"Your contributions have made a lifesaving difference to those fighting on the ground," Gates said.
He noted that the Air Force has been engaged in combat continuously for 17 years, beginning with the 1991 Gulf War and including years of flying combat missions in "no fly" zones over northern and southern Iraq.
"Your families have also borne this burden, and the Air Force has its own fallen heroes - often struck down while serving on the ground alongside our soldiers and Marines," Gates said. "We know this, and we are working to ease the burden. For example, I intend immediately to stop further reductions in Air Force personnel."
In 2006 the Air Force began a multiyear reduction in its ranks, taking it from nearly 360,000 to an intended target of 316,000 by 2010. By halting further cuts, Gates would leave the Air Force with about 330,000 personnel, Air Force officials here said.
After delivering his remarks, Gates held a question-and-answer session with his audience. Before he began taking questions he asked members of the news media to leave the room "so that we can have a candid discussion inside the family."
Tony McPeak, the retired general who was Air Force chief of staff during the first Gulf War in the early 1990s, said in a telephone interview Monday that he welcomed the selections of Schwartz and Donley.
"It's not a mainstream kind of thing" to choose an officer with Schwartz's extensive background in special operations, McPeak said. But Schwartz also has a variety of other experience, including holding senior positions on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "It's good to have that" broader perspective on the Air Force, said McPeak.
In an effort to get at least part of the new team in place right away, Gates asked Bush to designate Donley as the acting secretary effective June 21 - a move that would allow him to begin work without waiting for Senate confirmation.
Schwartz had been thought to be in line for retirement, and his replacement as head of the US Transportation Command, Lt. Gen. William Fraser III, had been announced in April. But on Monday Gates recommended that Fraser be nominated as the next vice chief of the Air Force.
And he said Gen. Duncan McNabb, the current vice chief, should move to the Transportation Command job, succeeding Schwartz.
In remarks later aboard his plane en route from Langley to Peterson Air Force Base, Colo., Gates told reporters that he had a 55-minute session with the airmen at Langley. He told them that the importance of the Air Force's nuclear mission was likely to grow in the future, in part due to the threat of proliferating nuclear weapons technology but also because Russia is putting an increasing emphasis on modernizing its nuclear arsenal.
"Russia really is not investing very much in their conventional (non-nuclear) forces," Gates said. "It seems clear that the Russians are focused, as they look to the future, more on strengthening their nuclear capabilities." That contrasts with Russia's historical emphasis on a large conventional force, much of which eroded after the Cold War ended.
On Tuesday, Gates plans to make speeches at Peterson Air Force Base, Colo., home of Air Force Space Command, which has responsibility for the service's nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile force, and at Scott Air Force Base, Ill., home of Air Mobility Command, whose tanker refueling aircraft are part of the nuclear bomber mission.
When he announced he was firing Wynne and Moseley, Gates expressed disappointment that shortcomings in the Air Force's handling of its nuclear mission had been allowed to persist.
He said at the time that his decision was based mainly on the damning conclusions of an internal report on the mistaken shipment to Taiwan of four Air Force fusing devices for ballistic missile nuclear warheads. And he linked the underlying causes of that slip-up to the North Dakota-to-Louisiana flight last August of the B-52 bomber that was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.
The report asserted that slippage in the Air Force's nuclear standards was a "problem that has been identified but not effectively addressed for over a decade."
Gates said the Taiwan mistake did not compromise US nuclear weapons technology and did not pose a physical danger, but it "raised questions in the minds of the public as well as internationally."
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Donley served as acting secretary of the Air Force for seven months in 1993 and was the service's top financial officer from 1989 to 1993. He is currently the Pentagon's director of administration and management, and has held a variety of strategy and policy positions in government, including a stint on the National Security Council from 1984 to 1989. He served in the Army from 1972 to 1975. He earned bachelors and masters degrees from the University of Southern California.
USAF Gen. Norton Schwartz
USAF Gen. Norton Schwartz
Photo: AP
Schwartz has held several high-level assignments on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and has been commander of the U.S. Transportation Command since September 2005.
Schwartz, a pilot with more than 4,200 flying hours, served as Commander of the Special Operations Command-Pacific, as well as Alaskan Command, Alaskan North American Aerospace Defense Command Region, and the 11th Air Force. Prior to assuming his current position, Schwartz was Director, the Joint Staff, Washington, DC
He attended the Air Force Academy and the National War College, and he participated as a crew member in the 1975 airlift evacuation of Saigon. In 1991, he served as chief of staff of the Joint Special Operations Task Force for Northern Iraq in operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm.
When the Jewish Community Centers Armed Forces and Veteran's Committee presented its Military Leadership Award to Schwartz in 2004, he said he was "Proud to be identified as Jewish as well as an American military leader."
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News
It seems "the experts" continue to "borrow" ideas first proposed here at PO. Anyone that has been here for a few years has seen how many ideas first proposed here seem to later appear in MSM sources or other "expert" sources. Here is an example. Some time ago, I ventured the idea that the US should just destroy Iran's oil facilities rather than try to attack hidden nuke sites. Why? Destroying their oil facilities is easier to do (can't be hidden) and provide the Iranian's funding to build their nuclear facilities, arm terrorist etc. So, destroy their funding and everything else falls into place. Whether its a good or bad idea isn't the point of this post. This post is just to show that twice now, other sources are borrowing the idea.
Here is the latest Neocon rant arguing to do the same:
Here is the original post on the idea posted here on PO back in 2006:
seahorse wrote:
This idea to attack/destroy Iran's oil weapon to eliminate Iran as a threat is not that original. First I saw it, it was suggested here by me:
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(6) Rather than attack nuclear sites, US strikes Iranian oil fields and destroys them, maybe permanently. US seizes offshore oil fields of Venezuela (if necessary) and offshore oil interests of Cuba. Don't worry about Iranian nuclear facilities which probably can't be destroyed anyway. Without oil or oil revenue, their economy stops.
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