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vampyregirl
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 Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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BTW Pstarr why don't you tell me what you know of the Mackenzie Gas Project, the Orphan basin, Sable Offshore Energy Project or the Coalbed Methane project in BC. Maybe wilki can help you with that to.
If you want to know anything else like the difference between Basin Centered Gas and Sour Gas just ask me. |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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| KillTheHumans wrote: | | pstarr wrote: | | vampyregirl wrote: | What would you know Pstarr, you wouldn't know what a Scotford upgrader was if i showed it to you.
You never did answer my question what are Shell, SunCor and Husky doing in the field? If you can't answer that then stay out of this conversation cause you don't belong in it |
I failed your test? That's a shame. I am not worthy and I couldn't even look in Wikipedia and find out that:
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Ah yes...the source of "expertness" here in the heart of the po community....I just love it when Peter confuses reading wiki for knowing something...its just makes so much sense. |
You're envious of my 'expert' rating at Peakoil.com? God! Is that pathetic or what?  .
If it makes you feel better KTH I will petition the authorities to have my coveted emblem removed so we can meet as equals on the field of combat. But first you must remove your fancy degree. Okay?
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pstarr
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | BTW Pstarr why don't you tell me what you know of the Mackenzie Gas Project, the Orphan basin, Sable Offshore Energy Project or the Coalbed Methane project in BC. Maybe wilki can help you with that to.
If you want to know anything else like the difference between Basin Centered Gas and Sour Gas just ask me. |
I'm being killed by experts, beaten down by quotes, slain by degree. I'll never ever question the tar sludge bidness again. I promise 
Forget that I'm back in the game.
Don't you cornies get it? All these gimmicks are just desperate attempts to replace the sweet, light, free-flowing, inexpensive fun-and-easy-to-get good stuff that is running out? Ever here of peak oil?
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BigTex
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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Maybe I missed it, but what is the EROEI of this Alberta sludge?
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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... sigh... Several of you apparently had too much sugar intake today.
I thought of several ways to deal with the discrepancies.
This is my personal favorite tonight:
Go to bed.
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Dreamtwister
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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I love how the noobies come here and tell the bartenders that "There's plenty of beer left because *this dude's* glass still has something in it."
| BigTex wrote: | | Maybe I missed it, but what is the EROEI of this Alberta sludge? |
Last I heard, it was something like 3 barrels of water and 2 barrels of oil equivalent in natural gas for every barrel of synthetic. But don't quote me on it.
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BigTex
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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| Dreamtwister wrote: | | BigTex wrote: | | Maybe I missed it, but what is the EROEI of this Alberta sludge? |
Last I heard, it was something like 3 barrels of water and 2 barrels of oil equivalent in natural gas for every barrel of synthetic. But don't quote me on it. |
So that would make it negative?
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vampyregirl
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | | www.capp.ca |
So how does this respond to the issue of eroei, energy return?
Isn't it possible that (in addition to a financial subsidy) tar sands enjoy an energy subsidy with heavy machinery built and maintained under the inexpensive high-eroei liquid petroleum regime? What happens when those monster machines become too expensive to repair? Do you even know what I am saying?
How can you be sure that it is profitable to extract the stuff when diesiel is $10 gallon? Is anyone home?
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vampyregirl
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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Pstarr dosen't understand how the market works. Oil sands production on a large scale didn't begin until only a few years ago because in the days of cheap oil it wasn't profitable. Then oil prices skyrocketed making it profitable. The higher oil prices go the more profitable it is because the more return we are getting on our investment. Oil prices going DOWN not up would be a threat to oil sands production.
It was rising oil prices that made production profitable in the first place. Get it? |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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| pstarr wrote: | | vampyregirl wrote: | What would you know Pstarr, you wouldn't know what a Scotford upgrader was if i showed it to you.
You never did answer my question what are Shell, SunCor and Husky doing in the field? If you can't answer that then stay out of this conversation cause you don't belong in it |
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But I am not worthy  Wait a minute. Who are you anyhow? You do no moderate this forum. You are not Zuul the Gatekeeper? You are only just Gothgirl from Alberta |
We're not worthy |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | Pstarr dosen't understand how the market works. Oil sands production on a large scale didn't begin until only a few years ago because in the days of cheap oil it wasn't profitable. Then oil prices skyrocketed making it profitable. The higher oil prices go the more profitable it is because the more return we are getting on our investment. Oil prices going DOWN not up would be a threat to oil sands production.
It was rising oil prices that made production profitable in the first place. Get it? |
So you are saying it is a market thing. Yet you have failed to respond to several questions about energy return. Do you know what that is about?
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vampyregirl
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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You are talking about the amount of energy required to produce a product such as fuel vs the amount of energy obtained from the product.
It requires about 1200 cubic feet of natural gas to extract one barrel from the sands using the In Situ recovery process, the largest of which is at Cold Lake.
It is a positive energy return.
New technologies such as VAPEX and pulse tech are increasing the return. Are you familair with them?
You failed to answer several of my questions. Since you think gas production has peaked in Canada why don't you tell me about the Mackenzie Project, Sable and Orphan?
And tell me about the Basin Centered gas in Alberta |
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TonyPrep
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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| vampyregirl wrote: | | Neither you or TonyPrep seem to understand to understand the implications of the new Husky Energy lease here or the new methods being applied to the sands. |
What is it that I need to understand, vampyregirl? You have posted numerous unsubstantiated statements recently and, when confronted with the contrary facts, you ignore them and continue on your merry optimistic way. I wonder if you actually understand the discussions you get into.
Nature, in case you were unaware of it, does not care what you wish to happen. Humans can only do so much, and only within the limits of nature. Do you understand that? |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Alberta |
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Since I worked on the MacKenzie gas project, you may be interested in a few of my observations at the time.
Gas reserves were disappointing, and of limited economic potential.
Many of the large gas fields in the MacKenzie Delta are highly fractured.
Offshore discoveries were in thin turbidite sands.
Discoveries in the Arctic Island were outside our ability to pipeline south, though they might be transportable by tankers.
The Burger Inquiry was possibly the best thing that could have happened since it gave the oil companies a way out.
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